New Addition to the Family
 

So im sure that youre all thinking "a little bad mirada?", but no.

This weekend, Amanda and I wrote a check for a bright red 1972 Dodge Demon. Factory 340 car, but im not certain of the other things. The car is a restoration project that the owner lost interest in halfway through, making it a rolling chassis car.

It has a fiberglass TA Challenger style hood with fiberglass fenders inner fenders. It has a 71 grille, which we are actually kind of happy about, as we both prefer the 71 grille. It has a leather rear bucket, and lightweight race front buckets, but it came with two extra full interior sets. It came with a uhaul truck full of extras, such as the factory metal hood, an extra trunklid, 4 extra doors, full extra glass, a 727 trans, a 904 trans, it did come with a 340 on a stand, but we are not sure if its any good or not, and we have an extra 360 laying around that may go in. I honestly dont know what we are going to do with all of the stuff that it came with...we have BOXES of chrome trim pieces that we arent going to use.

Our only concern, is that the previous own remounted the upper control arms, because the inner fender wells were removed, so we are going to have to reinforce the unibody with either some bars just under the hood, or an 8 point cage. We are making it a street car, so the cage will be a bit much for now, but its getting the old top end from the mirada (run high 13s with that top end) and this car is about a thousand pounds lighter, so it should run pretty good, but its going to be a lengthy build. The biggest concern is the front suspension, but that will be fixed soon, and then we have to get new brake lines and fuel lines.

However, the body is perfect. the is a chip in the paint on the drivers door, and the right front fender neds buffed because someone brushed against it with something and scratched it a bit. the ONLY bad spot on the car, is a little spot of rust, around the RR tail light..it measures about a quarter inch by a half inch, and thats it. :)

We are planning on getting the engine built this winter, hopefully before the end of the year, and then the chassis work will get taken care of. the only thing that we are missing is the brake and fuel lines, but there is so much stuff included, they may be there and we just havent seen them yet...:D

and i know what youre all thinking...and no, i dont have pictures yet. The car is supposed to be picked up in the next week or so, and at that point my dad will be getting pictures of it. I hope to make some progress on it, at least digging through the stuff that came with it in early october when i am in PA helping a friend build his engine...and i will definately have pictures by then...but i hope to have them sooner...just waiting for the friend of my dad's with a rollback to have time to get the car, and the check to clear...[8D]

RE: New Addition to the Family
 

Glad to hear you have a new member of the car family. With that title, I thought you were telling us that you and Amanda were going to have a kid or something.

RE: New Addition to the Family
 

Congrats on the purchase, Patrick.... and of course the obligatory

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TeeWJay is right, where are the PICTURES? and congrats on the new addition.

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well, ill be honest, im sweating it out right now...im getting a great deal on the car, but the guy is waiting until the check clears on in a week before he will sign over the title. this car was an incredible find...and my luck has never been this good. i am honestly very very nervous that someone will somehow take it out from under me. if my luck changes, and the car does become ours next monday, my dad will be going to get it with the rollback, and at that time, pictures will be taken. the guy said that "a deposit is not needed...im a man of my word, and you said that you want the car, and the car is yours. as soon as the check clears, come on over to get it, and it will be yours"...so my fingers are crossed. the check will clear with no problem, but im concerned about something going awry, just because my luck has never been this good.

should we succeed, the best pictures will be from the rear, as the grille is in pieces. there are no headlights, and the bezels are in a box in the trunk.

one other nice thing, the 340 included with the car is not the numers matching 72 340, but its actually a 71 340. for those of you not up on your 340 history, the 71 had 35 more horsepower, so if that motor is good, i have myself a nice healthy 340. otherwise, it will likely get the 360 which i have had for a while.

the car comes with so many extra parts, we are going to have to throw out some stuff from the shop storage to make room for the new stuff...amanda actually asked the guy, "can we just get the car without the extras"...:D

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I know it almost sounds too good to be true. I thought the only difference between the 71 and 72 was the change from gross to net hp. What did they do that lower the output.

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there wasnt actually a change from gross to net, but more of a change in how the hp was measured. prior to that, engines were tested on an engine dyno, free of any sort of restrictions such as the alternator, power steering, etc.

my understand was that the 72 340 had lower compression...

RE: New Addition to the Family
 

Okay that explains that. Which measurement are we using today?

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they are still using the "testing under load" method...they want the horsepower at the crank to be realistic, and i believe that now engines are tested with the cats and such, which they didnt have back then.

however, alot of cars actually dyno higher than stated. several sources, such as either car and driver or motor trend (one of the big magazies) as well as one of the mopar magazines, have dyno'd the 6.1L, and it actually puts out power in the 46X range...

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Yeah I remember that. Also Motor Trend reported that the 98 Z28 and Formula GM F-cars were producing more than they were rated at, but the 98 Cobra produced 15 less hp than it was rated at. So I guess it depends on how honest the manufacture feels like being.

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the cobra in question...the "lawsuit cobra" was the 99 model. they advertised 320hp, but were proven to only make 305. it took a computer upgrade, different intake manifold, and exhaust system in a recall to make the advertised power. :D

as for the LS1 cars, that was al dumb from the get-go on GMs part. it was the exact same engine in the corvette and the f-bodies, but the camaro and firebird mysteriously had less power? that was just GM trying to keep the vette owners feeling superior to the f-body owners...

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Yeah I know the 99 was the "lawsuit cobra" but the 1998 model also produced 15 hp less hp than rated according to Motor Trend. That was the issue that was titled Chevrolet Camaro Z28 vs. Ford Mustang Cobra vs. Pontiac Firebird Formula.

Your right that they were foolish for thinking they could fool everybody.

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so an update.

The guy from whom I am buying the car wouldnt take a check, and I didnt have the kind of cash just laying around, and our bank was 400 miles away. So..we wrote my dad a check, and when it clears, he will take the money to the guy, and pick up the car. The guy said that was fine, and that a deposit wasnt needed...but i have been on the short end of "my word is as good as any down payment and contract", so i insisted. I wrote up a brief contract stating the buying price, most of the bigger items including the car and the VIN, etc. I told the gentleman in advance that I would be doing this for tax reasons, as we intend to sell alot of the stuff, although it was more to protect us from getting burned. mine you, before this past saturday, I dont know this guy, and the people whom i know, who know him, are barely acquiantances.

so my dad called him last night, and told him that we would feel more comfortable if he would take a deposit, and the guy said that if it made us feel better, it was fine by him. So my dad takes the contract over there, with the cash, and when he shows the guy the contract, which was very simple, he got all upset, saying that he doesnt do business on paper. he signed it, but my dad said that he was very unfriendly about it....i dont think that i did anything wrong, but this guy was generally taken aback by the fact that i wanted things in writing. again, this is no small amount of money...he originally said that if we needed, we could keep the car there until it was "good for us", and now he has told my dad that as soon as he has the money, to get the car out of his storage.

so he is offended that "i dont trust him"...but at the same time, he wouldnt take a check from me, which would lead me to believe that he didnt trust me...

am i in the wrong wanting things in writing?

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This guy sounds shady. I bet he is trying to cheat the IRS. He sounds awfully suspicious. Never do things off the record because the people who want it that way are up to no good and you don't want to be caught up in their messes.

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i dont care if he is cheating the IRS...i just want to cover my own arse...

RE: New Addition to the Family
 

Naturally your top priority is to make sure your getting treated fairly and don't have to worry about the IRS. It bothers me when I see people cheating the IRS because they are cheating you and me if you think about it. We have to pay our taxes, so why shouldn't everyone else.