WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO CHRYSLER NOW
 

[:o]WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO CHRYSLER AND WORSE THE CHALLENGER NOW??..A very sad day today in the news as we heard that Robert Nardelli was made CEO of Chrysler. Would this be the same Nardelli that was overlooked for promotion at GE when Jack Welsh retired? Then Home Depot Hired Mr Nardelli and in my opinion proceeded to take HD.s stock down the tubes and change the whole idea of HOME DEPOT and I know this because I've worked their for 6 years and have seen all the changes that now make it hard to get help or shop in thier stores. Then he decides to leave and takes Home Depot for $millions because of the stock options and pay plan esentially ripping them off. I personally think Home Depot was glad to see him go . And now we have him at Chrysler Corp. Does he know anything about cars? Why and how did he hurt Home Depot? Why , when he was second in command at GE was he not promoted to Jack Welsh's position at the top of GE ? They must have seen or known somthing! Now He'll turn Chrysler Corp over to the bean counters so he can save big money by cutting,, god only knows in the many ways, so he can get a big pay raise and lots of$millions in stock options and then leave for another company. Will he cut the challenger? Will he put cheap material in them? Will he cut workers so less can be made? Lets keep a close eye on him and whats going on at Chrysler. I know I will.

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Of course, he needs to make his millions of dollars bonus. And to save, send more work out of the nation, losing American jobs.

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Home Depot's sales and store numbers went through the roof under this guy, but then the stock price started falling. My guess is the stock price went into a bubble probably, and when it burst investors were angry, and suddenly his compensation package was the media's main focus. That probably put pressure on the Home Depot board to oust him. In order for the investment group's investment to pay off they need to grow revenue and earnings (profit). Tough to do with Japanese competition, considering they have no unions and no mega executive compensation packages like we do. But this guy may be one of the best out there, or they wouldn't have hired him. He needs to push back on the unions, and improve product quality and marketing. If he can do these things, he wins. I heard his annual salary is $1, and the rest of his compensation is a combo of bonus and stock options. Stock options will work for him if the stock goes up, but I wonder what his bonus is tied to; probably revenue, costs, etc., etc. I hope he doesn't go after costs that affect product quality! He needs to go the opposite direction on that piece. I think a few employees may suffer from his changes, product quality will improve, and lifestyle marketing will improve. He'll probably get what he wants, if the unions let him. And above all... I hope he doesn't negatively affect the Challenger in any way!!

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An article I read said that Cerberus is a bunch of ruthless bean counters too. So maybe that's why they hired a person like Nardelli. He's like them, basically. I have to admit that ruthless bean counting is important in business, but giving the customers what they want is also critical. I've heard some of the greatest businessmen in the world say that making money is secondary to serving others well. They say if you do a good job for your customers, the money will follow.

On the plus side, they know that the Dodge Challenger is extremely important for them, so hopefully they'll be too afraid to mess it up by lowering quality.

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For what its worth I think all of your threads contain extremely valid points. But as an employee, I welcome new blood.

Here's why...

Although the Challenger is an awesome car, on its own it can never really have a major impact on profit/loss.

The current managment seems focused on neons and calibers that dont really get good gas milage and never had the sales every manufacturer hopes for.

Although many of us want a 525hp 6.4 litre Challenger on the weekends, most of america seems to want 40 mpg plus during the week! Why do I say this? The camry's, accord's and prius's speak for themselves!

So I hope someone from Cerebus takes a photo of a camry and an accord and tapes it to the office wall in the design department and says give us this before it's too late!

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The biggest loss to Chrysler is the retirement benefits and medical packages that they have given to their employees. Also $75.00 an hour assembly line wages added on can't help the bottom line. Our Auto Corps. need to be redone. I say move down south and start assembly here. Toyota does it in Tenn. and it is non-union. The price they are paid you ask? Hourly rate assembly worker $45.00. Not too shabby. So with the unions they will continue to struggle and with an aging work force, medical bills will continue to climb. The reason for the slide towards Canada for assembly is the socialized medicine. So the time has come for the big three to look at other areas to build their cars or put an end to the unions. OR they will go the way of the dinosaur[&o]

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Lear,
Canadian assembly plants only help canada, not America! We should make every attempt to build a stronger America, not a stronger Canada...or worse, Japan!

As far as union wages, for now the big three ARE at a disadvantage... mostly due to retirees. Our foreign foes will soon deal with this as their work force ages. Although we certainly need to streamline for profitability, let's not forget a very important fact. Union wages sets the standard for Americas non union wages.

How can we make our American manufacturers more profitable?
1) Build cars that people want to buy! We need a Camry, Accord and Prius!
2) Stop rewarding poor performance! Eaton and Lutz took over 7 billion dollars in compensation from the company when they sold us to Dailmer. We have not heard what the Germans are getting yet. Where's our dependable, good gas milage daily drivers?
3) We union workers DO get paid a great wage. We should have to work hard and efficiently for it!

Cerebus has chosen a new leader that has most of his pay based on performance goals. I hope this sends a message to GM and Ford!

Our Amercian creativity and tenacity offords us an extreme advantage over our foreign competitors despite wages, medical and retirement benefits. If we can break the cycle of corporate greed and go back to the days of a days pay for a days work, higher profits seem easier than ever!

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hpjunky, you got some good points but I think new management should put down the gauntlet to the design teams and say make a car with excellent gas mileage and make it look like a slick MOPAR product. The Big Three have spent way too many years trying to make Japanese looking cars. If someone wants a Camry they will buy a Camry. Make a distinctively American style of car that doesn't have to look like the ole bland K Car.

It is an uphill battle though considering American cars have been closing the gap in quality over the years but public perception is still lagging.

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Hmmmm, I wonder how much he,s paying you for that glowing report? The stock only went high once in 1999 into the beginning of 2000 it went to a high of $67 per shre and it has seen $40 per share since and thats all Nardellis fault I'm sorry to say.

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Alright this is getting out of hand. fatcat, I recommend you read this. https://dodgechallenger.com/forums/m_14967/tm.htm

Here this now, THE CHALLENGER IS GOING TO BE PRODUCED! Stop using scare tactics and accusing people of being paid off since they are optimistic and disagree with your viewpoint. I'm not crazy about this guy being put in charge, but there is no point in getting everyone in a panic about the Challenger not being produced. The fact of the matter is, Daimler was one of the worst things to ever happen to Chrysler. After seeing what they did to Chrysler, I'm willing to take my chances with this guy. Chrysler hasn't had a good leader since Iacoca, yet they are still in existance.

The solution to Chrysler's problem is investing more into their less expensive models and in their powertrains. The powertrains part is taking place. They are building a whole new line of engines that sound innovative. They are working on transmissions that sound like a large step up from anything else in the market. Economy cars are important; however, they are not the lifeblood of the company. The Prius could give Toyota some big headaches some day due to potential problems with hybrid systems. The Avenger and Sebring need better interiors, lose the 4-speeds for the 6-speeds, in the meantime use the best V6s avalible (3.5 L.O. in the SXT and the 4.0L in the R/T), use the right gearing for better fuel economy. Expand the use of diesels from just trucks to all models. Using their own technology in future models (stop using technology from Mercedes, Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Chery, Nissan, etc.).

The unions are an issue as well. A socialized health care system is not the answer however, but I'll save that for a future topic. Building the right models, is the solution and that means quite making gimmick models (Caliber, Compass, Patriot, etc.).

Also, this section is about the Challenger, not about general Chrysler issues; therefore, I'm sending this to the Off Topic section.

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Thank you RLSH700!!!

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You're welcome.

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Wooooo!! I never said I was for socialized health care. I'm quite the opposite. I was just pointing out as to why they went to Canada. I want the big three to stay in the good old USA. But they have to get real about their positioning. I think the folks on the assembly line are overpaid. I don't think theres a reason for them to make that much to be quite honest.

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My apologies lear, I must have read that too quickly. Though even reading it over again, I can now see what your saying, but it is still a little confusing. hpjunky also appears to misunderstand what you're were saying as well. It was worth mentioning anyways since that is an idea that I hear all the time when they mention the Big Three's woes. Nonetheless, I agree with most of what you said lear.

Your right, I think they are getting overpaid myself especially considering that is a job which requires no formal education yet if you calculate all the benefits including retirement and so forth, they are getting paid between $50-75 per hour. I know tons of people who have positions that require expertise and a college education that don't get paid, even half of that per hour.

The problem is I don't think they can move away from the union areas in this country. I think there are laws that forces them to hire union positions, but I still think they could move the factories in less union focused areas in the U.S. At least there they could possibly get employees who would put in the effort they are getting paid for.

I agree that they should stay as U.S. based as possible; however, I must remind some of you that our countries best customer (buyer of exports) is Canada. If we want them to buy stuff from us, we likewise have to buy things from them.

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I wish there was a way for the unions to see that these workers for their education and money spent for personal advancement are way overpayed. The union is doing its job so to say... but they seemed to have priced the workers out of a career. I don't see how they can compete with a non-union plant. The non union plant pays in wages and compensations really well and can afford to sell their products at a lower price. Quality seems to be there also, all unions do is tie up time and workers. I have had very little contact with union plants, but what exposure I've had seemed time consuming and beurocratic. They wasted more time trying to get the right personel in place than it would be to do the job. Maybe this private Co. that bought Chrysler will be some sanity to the whole deal. I want our car companies to be competitive and finacially strong. But charging us a large markup because they overpay their workers is not the path I want to go down. So, wise up union workers and be honest with yourselves, are you really worth what you are charging your co. Also CEOs and supervisors... do you want this job in 5 years down the line. It may be gone... if you don't get real with yourselves. $55,000 for a car is insane and thats where we are heading.

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All I can say about the Unions, is look at what happened to our steel industry.

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Many good point, but one thing I must remind you of is it is the dealerships, not the company itself that is causing the mark-ups.

Jeremiah, point well made.

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Dear Mr Moderator ,Geeze I'm sorry but I thought you as moderator of all people would be able to understand that I was merely playing the devils advocate here and asking everyone what they thought about the recent changes at Chrysler Corp as a legitimate subject for this forum. I take serious offense to you accusing me of using "scare Tatics" which is absurb and "accusing " people when I was merely trying to voice my opinion to what some statements of fact may sound like to others . I have no thoughts at all that Chrysler will not build the Challenger and therefore NOT trying to create any "PANIC" whatsoever.As for this being off topic well I don't see it but it seems to me , IN MY OPINION that you move messages anywhere you want if you don't like them which I guess you can do. But I disagreee wholeheartly as if people in this forum wish to voice thier opinions about the question I was posing I'm hopefull that you would see that these changes at Chrysler Corp could well have some impact on the Challenger build that WE are ALL interested in, then it is a proper subject and not " OFF" subject. But your the BOSS so do as you please cause I'm still injoying and having fun with all the Challenger websites that i visit as I patiently wait for the new Dodge Challenger to go on sale so I can buy mine along with everyone else thats a part of this interest group. So hopefully I haven't insulted anyone to seriously or stepped on anyones toes, but I remain a sincere member and Happy waiting to all fot thier new Dodge Challenger, FatCat


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Okay, now I suggest you see things from my perspective. If you were in fact playing devil's advocate, you could have been a little more obvious about it. The reason why I jumped on you for that is I am aware of the way particular people respond to threads like this. If you so much as hint that there is the slightest possibility that the Challenger will not be produced, they go absolutely nuts. The world is coming to an end and there is nothing you can do to calm them down for at least a month. Most commonly people who post ideas such as your's are doing nothing else than trying to get attention.

The problem with your hinting that the Challenger might not be produced due to this new guy being the executive of Chrysler is that it is simply illogical. A lugitimate representative from Chrysler had just confirmed it on our forum (once again and gave us some futher details). Then you say that it might not be produced when you have absolutely no source or basis to your argument; therefore, you are using a scare tactic to turn people against the new guy because you seem to have a disliking of the new executive. This is completely unnecessary.

If I really wanted to I could either lock this thread after this post or delete the whole thread; however, this has not violated the rules in a way that would warrant such a decision at this point. My reason for moving this to the "Off Topic" section is that it simply has almost nothing to do with the new Challenger. This is really about Chrysler's new executive and the structure of Chrysler; therefore, it is off topic. You may not understand this yet because you are still new to the site and learning what is Off Topic and what falls into General 2008 Challenger Discussions. This is why the older members were happy with me moving it to the Off Topic section, not because they are all against you and your topic but because that is part of the rules. Having this moved to the Off Topic section is not to be taken as an insult, in fact the Off Topic section is one of our most popular sections on the site. If I wanted to move it to somewhere dead, I would have posted it in the Buy and Sell section. Also I provided the link under the General 2008 Challenger Discussion so then the people who agree with your perspective could still find it after I moved it. If I wanted to hush up this section in that way, I would not have provided the link.

I am perfectly happy to hear that your enjoying this site, that is what I like to hear; however, the reason why we have moderators is to keep discussions under control and civil. You may think that I'm being a bully by responding to your thread the way I have; however, I encourage you to look at internet sites that have no moderators (or at least bad ones) like say Youtube and see how uncivil they are. On those sites, people make death threats, rape threats, and other things that should not be accepted over small disagreements and there is no one keeping things under control. On those sites, you have true bullies that cannot be stopped and that ruins a forum for those who want to have a civil conversation. The issue is we have had trouble with newer members from time to time, starting subjects that were counterversial that caused a lot of disruption and fights. This is also why I responded the way I did.

Also your respond to my first post in this thread is nothing other than an attempt to use a martyr mentallity saying that you represent "Freedom of Speech" while you allege that I'm trying to shut you up; meanwhile, you try to shut up cncpt2prod! who happens to disagree with you by "poisoning the well" via accusing him of being bribed to say nice things about this new executive. Also some food for thought, since you believe that Nardeli was passed up for the top position of GE for a good reason, then explain this. Was Bob Lutz passed over for the top position at Chrysler for some good reason or because the people at th

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I'm either speaking in a foreign language or maybe its our age difference . However you just do not get it! For the sake of all that read this I didn't know you took poles onwhat to do with all the different posts an that you find it impossible to understand my last post . You got it TOTALLY wrong and all I can say is "WHATEVER"

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And I just checked ....NO WHERE !!!! did I say that I was for "freedom of Speech. Chek it yourself and show me???

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I didn't say I took polls on this type of thing, I was trying to show you that I am not alone in my decision. I was trying to explain to you that this is the way the site is run, and I am not picking on you because I might disagree with you on this topic. How about you read these? https://dodgechallenger.com/forums/m_12882/tm.htm
Those should help you understand how this site is set up. What our procedure is and so forth.

That is true you did not specifically state it; however, you implied it when you accused me of moving this thread into this section all because I may not agree with you. I have absolutely no problem with you expressing your opinions, just realize that your opinions might be challenged from time to time and when you accuse people of being paid off for expressing a different opinion, you open yourself up for criticism. Also realize that if you post a thread in the wrong section, I am going to move it regardless what my personal opinions are.

Believe me there are threads that I find a lot more annoying on a regular basis that I think are worthless to discuss (such as "price gouging"), but I do not move them here because they are on topic with the General 2008 Challenger Discussion section. The structure of Chrysler's management is quite simply an Off Topic issue. If anything, I did you a favor by moving it here because the audience who visits the Off Topic section more often is going to see it and discuss it as well as the General 2008 Challenger Dicussion crowd via the link that is still in that topic section.

Also, I am not the boss. I actually help the boss. How about we just move on?

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This should make you hapopy, I'll just visit and read and even if I do get some info about the Challenger that people will be interested in I won't post it in this site, so like i said ..."you just don't get it , meaning how on gods earth do you know what I implied about anything???? your opinion yes , to know what I might or might not be implying , I don't think so. I made 2 initial posts and you felt it was your duty to criticize , comment, correct or relocate both. Had you just left them alone we would not be here in this difference of opinions. So as I said , WHATEVER and you'll be glad to know that I'll just read and not post anymore! FatCat

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Obviously you also have trouble understanding what I have said as well. I have no problem with you posting, just as long as it is in the correct section. Read my keyboard, moving it here was procedure, not out of my personal dislike for a topic. Perhaps I read too deep into your comments, that is possible; however, I have dealt with many people on this forum who are newer that sometimes can be trouble makers or others just don't understand the procedure. Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right on what I read into things.

If you don't like me, that's fine, I don't care; however, you should not stop posting just because you think I'm unfair. Just learn the procedure and rules, and if you make mistakes in placing it in the wrong section, know I will move it to the appropriate section. Also, don't take the moving of the thread so personally.

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fatcat......just know this, if you want to play devil advocate.....please make it plain. We cannot read each others body language only text.

RLSH700 and I have talked about it before and yes it is a consensus, if it does not mention the 08 Challenger it is getting moved......no if's, ands or but's about it.

And don't get your feeling hurt if you posted it there and it got moved. Since day one, only 08 Challenger information gets put in "Challenger in the Press".

That is just the way it is. Please abide by our 2 year old decision that we made way back before you enjoyed.

This is a forum, you do not take any "serious offense" to anything.

Please abide by our rules and yes they are posted for everybody to see.

If you wish to "read only" that is your perogative but feel free to post.

Remembers this, we Moderators are like NFL referees. You do not have to like us (but we prefer you do not hate us) but you do have to abide by the rules.

This is a forum in which we want to be a "family friendly" forum. Please do not aggrevate people, call people names, or put down/insult, or belittle people.

Not all of this is directed at you but to everyone who reads this.

Please lets all get along just like if we were talking to each other in the same room.

Enjoy the forum and let's all ride that Challenger Passion.

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Stop using scare tactics and accusing people of being paid off since they are optimistic a

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I am not trying to scare anybody. You either abide by the rules or you don't. I leave that up to you.

I am trying to be nice here.

I have not idea what you meant by the second half of your sentence.