Ugh... well O.K. We really can't debate. I can debate with another Christian on the grounds that the Holy Bible is the undisputed word of GOD. But with anyone else there would be no standard to guide the debate. Not a slam at all on anyone else, just a fact that I live by. It would just turn into a personal attack and I like you guys too much to let that happen. No good would come from it. I hate it that your not having kids, they are a great experience. But I know what you mean about this day and age. Have a nice day man.