You quoted Erik M3 but I think you meant to quote Mcdonald.
thanks for the correction Justinec101,
There are millions of people living good lives, not committing crimes, who do not believe in god. Just because their basis for morality was created by religion, doesn't mean that religion is needed anymore.
This statement (more than most of the ones we have made) is what separates Christians and atheists. In Christianity, no one is "good" but God, even Jesus didn’t considered himself good(Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19.) That is a something that we can only become through the blood of Christ, whom has proven us good (or at least the potential for good by saving us) during his sacrifice for our sins. In Christianity, the meaning of the word good is very different than in its secular form. We (as Christians) cannot be good without God or his son Jesus who acts as a mediator between. It is hard to understand a point of view with out being a part of it. It is hard to combine faith and fact in a argument. Even more so when they are on opposing sides.