Okay, I'm going to say this right now. Certain people on here need to calm down. If you can't handle hearing the fact that dealers are going to mark up, then you shouldn't read it nor should you post on it. It's a fact of life. Other people on here need to becareful how they communicate and not rub in the control they have as it turns people against them and makes a wound more painful by rubbing salt into it. I also want to inform certain people that name calling and swearing violates the rules. I advise you refrain from this. If the two of you cannot talk civilly, we might have to lock the thread (please don't make me restore to this). Now please continue discussing as long as it's civil and falls within the rules.