i here your quandary bro. i wanted to see the production model before putting down a deposit and now that the production model has come out.. i am like... darn i should have put a deposit on one. but then again i think once the camaro comes out in about a year i may be able to get a challenger at a reasonable price.... but the wait is killing me. Then again i have gotta have a manual tranny. [sm=groupwave.gif]