yea my point is albeeno is that all these mustang guys yell and scream about the gt500 being so much better than dodge cars or w.e. a supercharger is a mod. so if you compare out of the box the chally and the gt500 the gt500 has the slight edge do to the supercharger which ford had to do to make that IMO puny 4.7 l engine make something remote of 500hp. im sorry in my eyes albeeno if your gonna pay 45-50k for a supercharged 4.7 L car, might as well get a car aka the challenger which i believe has slightly better styling and retroness to it and use not even the full 10k your saving just 4-5k to drop a sc in it and it will put out wayyy better numbers than the gt500. out of the box yes the shelby is the winner. i believe top end the chally would destroy the gt base, thats just me. oh and i will be posting my articles soon, i just got home from work and ill get right on it because albeeno im not one of those forum trolers that hates ford and just goes out to bring them down, and im not saying your claiming that about me. ill post it up in a bit. im liking these discussions more and more albeeno.