Guys they gave a really nice package for the base SE. It is set up for those who are on a budget but still want a Challenger. If the power is what you want, then the R/T is the way to go. 5-speed auto or 6-speed manual and a 370-375 HP motor. This is the set up. For all out HP and style the SRT-8. It covers everyone. How about we stop complaining for a minute and just look at what is offered. Its everything that was asked for and yet we sit and hear complaint after complaint. I guess they just could'nt win with everybody. I'm satisfied they did what they set out to do and that is listen to the folks and try to please as many as possible. The base SE is one nice looking ride and the introduction of the R/T has me rethinking my choice. I really like the 375 HP 6-speed alot. I'm leaning more in that direction now.