ORIGINAL: MrKrisSullivan
My bad then I meant the 6.2. Which is not the LS3 like you said which is garbage then my point. Bigger engine and the same numbers?? That stinks that's all. I guess that's what makes it more affordable. I know this 4 door will be under 30k because that's there selling point. So the GTO did have the better package the whole time. To me they should of just invented a 4 door GTO like Dodge did with the Charger. They were ahead of the game and weren't sure of them-selves. It's obvious.
Yeah I didn't think about the cylinder de-activation. But Dodge has a better track record in sedans primarily do to the Charger/300c which are about the same car.
The GTO will smash any of these cars coming out now but the Vette' sorry for the misunderstanding.
Dude NO WAY!!!!! The Charger will never catch a GTO. If you want to put an SRT up to an LS1 maybe but if you want to compare apples to apples then the SRT vs. LS2 it's LS2 hands down brother. Please tell me where you read that?? The new moter-trend puts the G8 vs. R/T and the G8 takes it so think about that.
Well the issue that you haven't taken into account for the LS3 having an advantage over the LS2 is power consistency. The LS3 has VVT which will provide more power consistently throughout the RPM range. I would still say that GM is probably underrating the LS3 in this model for possibly insurance reasons and to prevent it from taking sales from the Corvette since GM did this before by rating the LS1 in the F-cars at 305hp & 335ft-lbs initially when it was producing around the normal 350hp & 365ft-lbs of tq.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the had the better package the whole time" and "they were ahead of the game and weren't sure of them-selves." Are you saying that they should have just built the sedan version of the Australian based GTO since they are now doing that with the G8? I would agree to about this to some degree. If you remember back in 2004, the only RWD cars outside of the luxury arena were the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis/Marauder. They watched the Marauder fail and saw that the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis were getting little customer use outside of fleet use, it didn't look like it would be a very safe market especially after their Firebird/Camaro had not been selling very well. On top of this, their Bonneville were not selling worth a darn, so it is understandable that they would not feel safe about doing this. The other thing you have to acknowledge is that the GTO was a flop. They thought they could resolve the problem by lowering the price and giving it their best engine at the time the LS2, but it still wouldn't sell. Had they made a V6 version and offered the LS4 as the first level V8, its possible it might have gone over better. A sedan version would have worked most likely (but it would be wise to give it a different name); however, they would have to get rid of the W-body offering (Grand Prix) first if that was what they were wanting to do since they would be too similar in size and looked too similar.
What I'm actually referring to is Dodge's success in large sedans for the last 15 years. The Intrepid was a success throughout its run while the Bonneville ended its life with only about 12K units sold in its final year despite the fact that during most of the time, the Bonneville was actually faster. Price was an issue though since the Bonneville was significantly more expensive. My point is that Dodge's bread and butter is full-sized cars in the car market, and Pontiac tends to do better with mid-sized cars.
I don't think the GTO will smash a normal GT500 as I am yet to see a GTO hit 60mph faster than the fastest recorded times I have read about the normal GT500. The top speed is slightly higher according to the R&D listing of the GTO since the GT500 is about 155mph. I also doubt that is true with the Challenger as it is about to receive an upgraded manual that the Charger neve