Fat cat, sorry your exsperiance has been what it is , but are you trying to buy at msrp? I think there are three dealers around here that may not have singed off on there cars west point,machanicsville, grafton These are towns in Va the dodge dealers are named after the towns, My dealer has shared every bit of info as slow is it is but its holding true things to be built starting april 26,I just thank goodness they guarenteed ONE for each dealer very fair! My foot his been in this door since 2006. you know If you are serios you can buy a challenger on e-bay for 50,000 I think there is three or four right now for sale ,,Thry another aprouch to looking for stuff.Good luck Geoff[sm=signs003.gif]