I think production is supposed to start in July. But they won't be in showrooms until august. That's what I've been hearing anyway. I think they're holding back on pricing and ordering because of all the crap they've gotten for opening ordering up as early as december. That gave people 5 months to complain about not getting information. I'd expect the pricing and ordering info on the 09s not to be released until 1 or 2 months before they hit the dealers.