Personally I don't think the 6.4 will be available as soon as 09. To be honest, I'll frankly be surprised if the 6.4 sees the light of day at all - I hope it does, but with things the way they are now, in a couple of years, motors like that will be a very hard sell to the bean counters and the emission & fuel economy police... time will tell. If it is offered, I'd sure hate to see the gas-guzzler tax on it... [sm=yikesomg.gif]