Sorry, Mopar...I don't get what you mean. The salesman was being pretty straight forward with me, since he was giving me unsolicited info. Remember, I went in there asking me about the '09s and he thought I was talking about the '08s. In effect, he said the dealership had NO IDEA when the '08s would be shipped, that the Challengers were being held at the factory because Dodge didn't like the "fitting and finishing," he gave me the info on the dealership's sales (or lack thereof, considering the allotment size) and (when he finally figured out I wanted info about the '09s) that the dealership was NOT taking orders for them. I don't think any of this constitutes lying or anything. What's the problem?