sorry did some more research and yes with a really good driver it can hit 12.2... but the average times seem to be 12.8-13.4 and im guessing a stick challenger with a really good driver will get in the 12.4 or lower range without a blower. but as i said before i have much respect for the gt500 i just wish they didnt have to go to a blower to get the 500hp[:@]