Birddog , I think Mopar2ya and I will be the ones turning out the lights here . we are both still in the D1 state.... Budvision any info 8h302946 , Joani could you please check.. (did you post any pics?) . and both of you, many thanks for all you do. it helps make the 08's even more speciel with the comradery it has greated on this forum ...Geoff