thanks...33k and some change...that is a decent price..and with the economy in shambles i bet some dealers go below msrp....looked up hemi orange with 3.92 and 6 speed (w/trak pack whatever that is)...id say this will compete nicely with the stang GT...im kinda holding out for a shelby gt350..which sai all but announced this week (fingers crossed on that).....in my view..challenger looks great...just have yet to see one on person