When it comes to markups, I refuse to pay one cent over MSRP, for ANYTHING. I remember when the PT Cruisers came out and dealers were gouging people for $5,000 over sticker. Now look at them. If you pay much over $10K for a new PT Cruiser, you've been fleeced. No, my friend, I'll happily wait till my '09 SE arrives, then go out and buy another when the price goes down even more.