Interesting. San Antonio's North Star Dodge, home of the $6K markup on TorRed Challenger SEs, has an ad in Friday's paper offering FIFTY PERCENT OFF on "any new Dodge." Of course, the tiny type at the bottom of the ad carefully excludes all Challengers from this offer. At any rate, an 08 Ram Quad cab is $13,150. Caravan SE, $12,350. Avenger SXT, $10,892. Charger SE, $11,282. The one that actually interests me is a Caliber SE for $8,820. I dunno the catch to all this.