I think ya"ll are painting a little rosier picture than I would... definately more so than my boys would. In order to make leg room for my two boys I do have to scoot the front seats forward a bit otherwise out up with the whining and nashing of the teeth from the back seat passengers. From what I hear it is WAY better than the competition... but I don't think these cars were ever intended as a family passenger car... oviously this is my opinion... your mileage may vary... [8D]