Shame on you "Justinec101", for posting this under the Challenger section....it belongs in the "OTHER TOPICS" section and you know it.....if not, please read the rules governing this site.....if I want to read topics of this type I will check out the "Other" section......In case you missed the point of this forum....It's for an exchange of thoughts and ideas about the CHALLENGER...................I hope the moderator will just drop this entire thread since all it's doing is upsetting people...and in case you havn't noticed we have members on both sides of the fence, not just your side......lets get back to the Challenger (while we still can)....IF you really think your opinion is so important, then email members off-line....PLEASE......