Yeah, go back and look at the post that was put on the forum. A few guys said goodbye to the Challenger and hello Camaro. But it like I always say... wait until they hit the street and then talk. Same thing was said about the weight of the Challenger. A few said good bye fat pig and were off to wait on the oh so ligter by 200lbs Camaro. And next was HP. So let em go and live in their world of rumors and inuendo. I'll just stay here and enjoy the Challenger, just like I have with my 71 for 30 plus years