RUBBERBNMAN. I realize that and I'm completely 100% OK with that . All I wanted to do is let everyone know that was initialy interested in starting a Challenger Club up that actually does things outside these forums that the idea is not dead. I give a ton of credit to those forum members on or near the west coast like Joani ( Challygrl), Dia Dave, Andre@Edge and a few others for the things that they have got together to do like their recent cruise to the mountain. As for info this club that I belong to now is already deep into all the mods and info you could want, and have even had sessions for Dyno testing and tuning Hemis with performance shops and people that even Andre@edge knows. In fact they recomend Andre's torque converters so I see a really good chance to be a part of something really good and exciting to do lots of fun things with our interest and passion for our Challengers. I will aways be a member here too and visit and post as much as I can. Thanks , Fat Cat[sm=gears.gif]