OK, but I still don't get what you were trying to say, but here nor there, if your at all serious then just sign up so you can read more of thier threads and posts and club news and you will see that they have several guys from Delaware, Penna, upstate NY inquiring about either joining or starting a chapter in thier area....especially the guy in Delaware wants to start his now.....and I've spent several times with these club members including the president at the Dyno Test and Tune session and they really are open to ANYBODY joining from ANYWHERE and I assure you they are NOT!!! clickish or exclusive in any way. But you need your own proof or club I guess ...or maybe no club at all...I agree completely ...its youir call......but personally I like the comradeship and get togethers that something like this offers to all.....so I'm in ...good luck with what your looking for ...or not! Fat Cat[sm=gears.gif]