We will see.. I've been on the Camaro forum... none of those guy's are counting on anything faster than 4.5 to 60mph... and most seem very content with 4.6 to 60 mph... so were talking .1 of a sec??? To the shear sexyness of the Challenger??? Not gonna win that one honestly... I understand where your coming from though Quallude... but also those fellas one the Camaro forum are talking high 12's in the quarter... So you may or may not pull away from the Heavy hitting Hemi... Ole' thumper big or small is going to pull and you can count on it... It reamains to be seen from the Transformer...