Very true,facts are facts.I luv all brands of muscle,and the new Challenger is bad to the bone.BUT,since I have been reading on here about R/T,s havin trouble with the puny 4.6 stangs,you all better stay clear of the new Camaro.IT WILL CLEAN YOUR CLOCK!! You will be down right embarrased.Even a SRT don,t have a prayer.I am not crazy about the front end of the Camaro,but the rest,esp. the rear,is down right awesome.