Thanks for the response Onebadss--I don't go to the shows to win or to place--the number 1 reason is to admire the hard work of others to EXPRESS their personal ideas on looks and performance of ALL types of vehicles.It is a great place to get ideas on products and fabrication ideas for my vehicles,not to mention meet some interesting people. I do not like to compete against older cars for alot of reasons. I used to HATE trailer queens--until a SAGE CHICKEN (grouse) went through my 4000.00 dollar 1970 cuda AAR grille. Cfan