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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 06:04 PM
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The next next Chevy Camaro
Posted Today 02:19 PM by Todd Lassa
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DETROIT - No, the next Camaro, not the upcoming 2010 Chevy Camaro. A few weeks ago, I wrote that the V-8, as we know it, is dead. Since then we've heard how Ford is pondering a twin-turbo V-6 Mustang to supplement, if not replace, the GT V-8. Small GM cars in the future will likely get a 1.4-turbo four in place of the current 2.0-liter turbo. The realities of the 2020 Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards are starting to sink in. Asian and European automakers will have to comply, too, as the European Union is set to impose CO2 standards at least as draconian as our '20 CAFE.

Cars and trucks will have to get lighter and smaller. The V-8 will become a low-volume engine configuration, like V-10s, V-12s and Mazda Wankel rotaries. All is not lost: the horsepower wars of the last 20 years have raised all boats ... er, boat engines. Today's turbo fours and direct-injection V-6s would amaze anyone whose last drive was in a '69 Z/28.

And that's how cars like the Mustang, Camaro and maybe even the Dodge Challenger can change rather than become dinosaurs again, or the next Mustang II. I don't know what Chrysler plans after the next-generation rear-drive platform runs its course, but GM has Alpha. You've read about the secret Alpha platform: it's a compact rear-drive architecture designed to give Cadillac a legitimate BMW 3 Series competitor for North America and Europe (the CTS is closer to the 5 Series and Mercedes E-Class in size). To make that new platform economical, GM needs to use it on a large-volume car. Most other pundits have taken too seriously Bob Lutz's words about rear-drive Pontiacs and believe it's going to be a small Pontiac sports sedan. I've reported to that it's more likely to be a high-volume Chevy to make the platform development pay off.
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And now, here's another application: besides, say, a "Chevy Chevelle" sedan, how about using Alpha for the next Chevy Camaro? Mustang, Camaro and Challenger are much bigger cars than they were in the late '60s. A 2008 Chrysler 300 is less than two inches longer than a '68 Dodge Dart coupe, and two feet shorter than any of the Chryslers of four decades ago, all of which were full-size models. The current Mustang and upcoming Camaro and Challenger are bigger now, because they alone have remained about the same size as their Vietnam War-era counterparts.

Neither the '09 Challenger nor the '10 Camaro will be able to match Mustang's steady sales of 125,000 to 150,000 units per year. After the Camaro has been out for five years or so, everyone who wants one will have bought one. Some will be young buyers, but most will be my age or older; in my case, just a few years too young to have bought a new, original Camaro before high insurance rates, net horsepower ratings, emissions and the oil embargo killed off the hot versions worth having. I turned, like many of my generation and those younger, to smaller, high revving four-bangers with better handling than straight-line performance.

So GM should build the next Camaro, model year 2016 or so, on the Alpha rear-drive platform. Power it with maybe a twin-turbo four. The 2010 Camaro will find itself parked in big suburban driveways next to Tahoes, and the like. That '16 Camaro will make the perfect trade-up for the Honda Civic Si.
Again, I think this points out the fact that American auto producers better be looking at build process and materials...improve the power to weight ratio and figure out how to make it rigid (enough...obviously give for energy absorption) for handling and safety. Improve the power to weight ratio, then you'll have something that can meet cafe and still kick you in the seat of your pants.
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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Welcome to the 80s all over again, where the 80 mph speedometer ruled and the Metro was the standard. Very few cars with 150 + hp and tq ratings. In the 70s we have cars that had high hp and ignored any environment standards. Insurance companies come in and the government comes in and we have very low hp cars due to the restrictions and insurance.

Today, we have better technology, but the restrictions, government, gas prices and insurance may come back into play and the technology might not be advanced enough to keep up with all of it hence we go back to having small underpowered slow cars. Boy I can't wait. The twin turbo this and that sounds find and dandy, for anyone who enjoys a whiny sounding car, but I sure would miss that V8 sound. And, that twin turbo stuff is assuming that the technology can keep up with those emission standards.

Another ten to twenty years for technology to catch up again just in time for more restrictions. Oh well, it was a fun run while it lasted.
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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 01:24 PM
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It actually is like 1969 all over again...we are on the verge of the greatest muscle cars of our time, with the 'Greenhouse issues' and fuel prices overshadowing us, threatening to take away our fun, just like the early '70's-But this time I am old enough to buy a second car that I do not have to drive every day...thus I can afford expensive gas etc-However, I believe the industry is going about this all wrong-the average R/T Challenger will probably be capable of getting 28 MPG with the new variable camshaft Hemi-and these cars are not going to be everyones family car, driven every day etc...And the SRT-8's impact is going to be even smaller because of it's limited numbers-the big 3 shouldn't shy away from these cars...we are not ready to stop paying for them yet! They just need to keep investing in the alternative fuels/economy cars for us to use to get to work/shopping/family functions every day, but have our V-8 rumble for the weekends/special occasions/Sunday Drives! It kills me that the automotive industry in America is being confined when there are other entire countries (China, North Korea, Russia) that are so behind the times with their heating/production industry they are fouling the atmosphere at a much higher rate than our musclecars & muscletrucks!!
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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 05:58 AM
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Unfortunately the government doesn't have that mentality and here's why. I would actually be one of those people that would be using this car for every day travel and that's what most people do with their cars. Unfortunately, most of America is middle to low class and can barely afford to have a junk car let alone a new car for the entire family let alone two or more. I'm one of those people. I'm lucky enough to have two new cars, one for me and my wife, but that's it. I can't get something to go along side of my Mustang.

I wish I could put it in a garage that's for sure. These people that have scratched it up around here, oh sorry. Anyway, I think that's what the government is looking at, that these big cars with the big engines are going to appeal only to a small level and they need to "fix" that so that everyone can afford something that is better for the environment and better on the budget, blah blah blah. I'll take my Challenger and drive it all the time and make it as a family car, or I should say occasionally as that will be my wife's car, but let me make that decision, don't go forcing me to make a decision because of the government stepping in. And while I'm on it, about this electorial college thing. Ha ha. Just kidding.
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