Any 2009 manuals here yet?
 

Anyone picked up their 2009 with a manual yet? Does it have skip shift (CAGS)?

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No '09s 6-speeds have been built yet, let alone delivered.

However, the 6-speeds do indeed come with the 1 -> 4 skip-shift (CAGS). Good news is reviews say it's pretty tough to get CAGS to engage unless you're really babying the car. Even better yet, Viper owners (who use the same T-6060 transmission) already have a dongle available which disables the skip-shift feature. Better still, I bet the DiabloSport Predator will have a toggle for it as well.

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How does the 1-> 4 skip shift work on the 6 speed?

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Skip shift blocks the transmission from shifting out of sequence in 1st-4th gears under normal circumstances.
I.E. you cannot shift from 1st to 3rd or 2nd to 4th unless RPM's are very high. Its designed to reduce emissions and keep you from lugging the engine.

According to the registry, as of right now there are 5 manual R/Ts and one manual SRT (mine) in D1 status.

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Corvettes have had the skip-shift feature for a long time. I have owned several of them and it works fine. If you baby the engine with low RPMs, then it will skip from 1st to 4th. There is still plenty of torque to keep you rolling. If you keep the RPMs revving higher, then you have normal shifting ability through all of the gears. There have been overide kits for sale for ten years in all Corvette parts catalogues. You basically unplug the skip shift module from the transmission and the kit includes a plastic filler plug to replace it.

If this what Dodge has to do to win the CAFE game, and give us good manual transmissions, then it's really no big deal.

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Thats incorrect. The computer forces you to shift from 1st to fourth under normal driving conditions. This keeps the RPM's down and produces better gas milage and lower emissions. With the high torque engines the car can handle the 1st to forth shift with no problem.

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I've had them before, and a quick blip on the gas right before the upshift cancels the CAG. Hopefully there's a "skip shift" warning light in the Challenger like my Camaros had so you know when it's gonna happen.

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There is a guy over on the Challenger Z Forum that says there is a fully loaded Black 6-Speed SRT on a lot in Houston. Im a bit sceptical right now so I am waiting for him to post pics before I go ballistic.

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So when shifting, when driving mildly when I go to shift from 1st to 2nd the gate for 2 is unavailable or the computer makes the gate that should be 2nd into 4th? I'm not clear on how this works? I assume my shifter is still a direct connection to my gearbox/syncros for shifting.

Can I go from 1 to 3?

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CAGS/Skip-Shift is aimed at keeping you out of the lower gears and forcing you into the higher gears to get better mileage quicker.

If you're accelerating very slowly with low RPMs, the skip-shift feature will entirely block the gates to gears #2 and #3 via a solenoid. This means when you want to shift out of 1st, your ONLY option is to jump all the way to 4th gear. You *will not* be able to shift into 2nd or 3rd as in you physically couldn't move the stick there, it's physically locked out from you. This is done as a "cheat" to get a better MPG rating and thus less gas guzzler tax.

If you're accelerating a bit aggressively then the skip-shift isn't enforced and you can shift from/to anywhere you want.

So basically skip-shift toggles whether or not 2nd and 3rd are locked out from being used.

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Hmm, that is not how it was initially explained to me. But, if that is the case, I am deffinately going to have to disable it ASAP.

Edit:
Did a little more research. Venthos is right. I was looking for a skip shift eliminator plug, but I also learned that the Predator Tuner I am getting has a feature to disable the CAGS/Skipshift. Problem solved.

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No way. I talked to an engineer at Dodge who said they weren't making any 6 speeds until next week.

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That is what I thought too. As I said I am sceptical. If this guy produces pics, Ill let you guys know. But dont hold your breath.

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I looked at Dodge's website and I don't see this Skip shift thing listed. Can someone point it out to me? Thanks

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I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE CAGS (SKIP SHIFT) FEATURE WITH THE 6 SPEED TRANNY.

BUT, IT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE EXACT TRANNY THAT IS USED BY THE CORVETTE WHICH ALWAYS HAD CAGS. THIS 'TRE-MEC' TRANSMISSION IS USED IN THE VIPER, CORVETTE AND MUSTANG. (DON'T PUKE, BUT TRE-MEC - WHICH WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS BORG WARNER - IS OWNED BY FORD)

SO, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS, GO TO YOUR CHEVY STORE AND TEST DRIVE A MANUAL TRANNY CORVETTE AND TRY IT OUT.

IT'S REALLY NO BIG DEAL. TO OVERIDE IT YOU CAN DISCONNECT IT OR GIVE THE THROTTLE A LITTLE BLIP AFTER COMING OUT OF 1ST GEAR AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET INTO 2ND GEAR WITHOUT ANY HASSLE.

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Holy caps lock batman.

You *can* disconnect it, but in 1996 I believe it was it was required that anything that is not functioning properly which can effect emissions needed to throw a code. This means if you simply pop the connector on CAGS then it'll throw a code and your emissions light will come on. You need to use the dongle w/a resistor that mimics the CAGS electrical current to prevent codes from being thrown. That, or disable via Predator Tune.

I'm not sure if CAGS/Skip-Shift is listed at dodge.com but it's mentioned on allpar.com

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I also remember reading it in someones road-test. They said it didnt interfere too much, but Im still disabling it with my Predator Tuner.

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Dumb question. Can you shift gears without depressing the clutch pedal on this tranny? Or power shifting?

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When you know the vehicle thats the way to do it....just dont do it with load...I have always done that with sticks and just use clutch to stop and go.