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Kevin is a very confused man ....
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8065
This guy just agrees with everyone at different times lol. He comes here , talks negativley toward the Challenger and possitivley toward the Camaro , and he goes there and has a 3 page thread dedicated to him going completley vice versa. LOL You've lost all forum credibility my friend. |
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This the first you realized that Rudy..?? This thread is very mild compared to some of his... ;) |
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Thanks for the post Rudy,
I find it funny how many people decide on a sports car based on price. I bought the Challenger because I wanted a Mopar, and had the funds. If the new Camaro was half the cost of the Challenger I would still opt for the Mopar. What kind of sports car are you getting when all you can say is it was cheaper then the rest? |
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Too often I hear, I will only pay MSRP or less, or my gas milage is, or some paid to much, etc, etc, etc,.. I paid what I could afford and I got #904 in July after ordering in late May 2008. I waited 34 years for this car and I damn glad to have it. No issues with car except for the 02 sensors, and that's a non-issue since the complete exhaust system been replaced (Zoomers).
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rudy and andre this is the blindness that allows me to be on two forums for 2 different cars...
I have not talked bad about just the camaro...i talk good and bad about both. rudy your heroic attempts are great but epic fail... and andre I thought you were a car enthusiast but over time...I realized you are just another blinded mopar guy...which is fine I use to be one too.... Where do you get on saying that all I said was that it is cheaper than the challenger... It is cheaper, doesnt look as good but isnt that bad.... it weights less gets better gas mpg 6 speed auto faster 0-60 4.6 all at the price of an rt call me a troll call me w.e...blah blah blah...because at the end of the day I am a true car guy not a guy who calls out his forum member because he is a regular on a competitors forum.. geez and mopar says my antics are bad..LOL good day and forum credibility? hah I have alot more than you do...I defended the challenger over there, but I am not blinded. trust me there is people on this forum that know that I have always defended the challenger but I am not stupid enough to claim it as the holy grail of cars.... that is called being a fanboy which I have seen alot of on both forums. |
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BTW move this thread into the offtopic section.... thanks
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Well when you use the word cheap I think of WAL-MART remember the mustang is cheaper a bit quicker it is shy a few pounds of the Challenger but the Challerger overall is a better car more like Nordstrom or Macy's Time will tell if the Chevy is Wal-Mart or Nordstrom.
andre I thought you were a car enthusiast but over time...I realized you are just another blinded mopar guy...which is fine I use to be one too.... Where do you get on saying that all I said was that it is cheaper than the challenger... It is cheaper, doesnt look as good but isnt that bad.... it weights less gets better gas mpg 6 speed auto faster 0-60 4.6 all at the price of an rt call me a troll call me w.e...blah blah blah...because at the end of the day I am a true car guy not a guy who calls out his forum member because he is a regular on a competitors forum.. geez and mopar says my antics are bad..LOL good day [/quote] |
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good point budman .... i would agree if gm didnt put so much money into developing the camaro zeta platform which they first used for the g8 and then modified it and kept tweaking it to get the camaro platform and if the camaro didnt have IRS but it does.
but you got a good point budman...I still think the challenger is a better bet due to the fact that challengers are going to be rare on the streets |
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ORIGINAL: kevin2323 and andre I thought you were a car enthusiast but over time...I realized you are just another blinded mopar guy...which is fine I use to be one too.... Does this mean I can't be both a car enthusiast and a Mopar guy? I think I'm confused now.... |
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Kevin,
Believe what you want bro, but before you spout off about my post look again. I did not say a thing about you, but I did comment on the thread on the Camaro forum. I have defended your right to state your opinion, but you continue to include me when you slam others. I guess that shows how valid the title to this thread is "Kevin is a very confused man" I get the feeling you wont be buying anything but a huffy 10 speed if you are only as old as you act. |
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andre,
you said thanks for the post rudy, so I assumed you agreed with him. And when you said "when all you can say it is cheaper" I was just dissagreeing with you on that one. I just get mad when post like this is made to make me look like a troll which I am far from. I thought a person couLd be on 2 forums not just 1. you can be an enthusiast and a mopar guy too BLK. But when you deny facts that isnt being an enthusiast.(wasnt directed towards you BLK.) And as for the age thing, I think I am acting mature unlike people who make threads in the challenger discussion section about a forum member being on a camaro forum. I wonder who is acting their age. |
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I would like to say three things about Andre Respect Knowledge Honesty I am in the middle of a major mod to my Challenger and one of the people that I entrusted in before I started this was Andre because of those reasons. And one other thing he may not tell you what you want to hear be he does know his stuff on most make’s and class of cars and trucks.
ORIGINAL: kevin2323 andre, you said thanks for the post rudy, so I assumed you agreed with him. And when you said "when all you can say it is cheaper" I was just dissagreeing with you on that one. I just get mad when post like this is made to make me look like a troll which I am far from. I thought a person couLd be on 2 forums not just 1. you can be an enthusiast and a mopar guy too BLK. But when you deny facts that isnt being an enthusiast.(wasnt directed towards you BLK.) And as for the age thing, I think I am acting mature unlike people who make threads in the challenger discussion section about a forum member being on a camaro forum. I wonder who is acting their age. |
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Thanking Rudy for a post, and then making comment on the fact that said post puts too much weight on the cost between the two cars is far from a slam.
You like to argue Kevin. In the future I will not comment on any post you make, and would ask you to do the same. I have said MANY times that the pony car wars are a great thing. Best of luck with whatever car you buy. |
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He does know alot ...and alot more than I do about cars in general. My point (not about andre) is that some people besides knowing ALOT about cars still wont admit one thing because it makes their brand look bad.
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you know it seems every time Keven gets on here and post something it's to piss off people and stir the pot. almost like he has nothing better to do with his life guys like him need to get the boot out of here and maybe go piss off the Ford guys cuz i know i don't have time for guys like him. and for the record i know Andre and this Man knows his S#@t he's been doing this for a very long time. enough said
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this is rediculous w.e seriously I thought people were mature adults here.
How am I the one stirring trouble when THE POST WAS MADE ABOUT ME! dont I have a right to defend myself? And to andre I have the upmost respect for you and your knowledge, you know this. I don't like to argue but when a thread is made about me I will argue all day long. shaky I have 550 post on here do you think that all those post are to cause trouble? please I own a dodge and was and still am looking to keep it in the family....but with a family like this that doesnt stand up for one of its members that has been here from the start (although I was too reluctant to register and post when the site was first opened) and can actually talk about the positives and negatives about the challenger than I dont know if this is the right family for me. When prices came out people complained when the weight came out people complained when the grill came out people complained when only auto for 08 was announced people complained ect ect when kevin says anything negative about the challenger in regards to making it better people send him to the fire. If you guys really want me gone after being here for so long and people like albeeno who always has something negative to say and changes his mind every 2 seconds, no one says jack about him.(sorry for puting you out there beeny) It is getting pretty rediculous around here. |
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ORIGINAL: kevin2323 If you guys really want me gone after being here for so long and people like albeeno who always has something negative to say and changes his mind every 2 seconds, no one says jack about him.(sorry for puting you out there beeny) |
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I'll defend you. . .
Sounds like you're going back and forth trying to make a logical decision over which car you want. A lot of people on here will just defend their brand to the death. I think it's stupid and the reason why American car companies were surpassed by the japanese, we were stupidly loyal to our fords, chevys, dodges and so the quality dropped and they made crap cars figuring we'd keep buying them anyway. I'm in the same boat but comparing the V6 models. I agree that the camaro isn't as pretty but I've yet to see it in person so my opinion there could change. I love the challenger but it seems like chevy has outdone it in hp and gas mileage at only $1000 more. It is nice not to be biased towards one brand so that I can make the best choice for myself. Right now I'm just hoping dodge will somehow respond with a price drop or a more powerful V6. They have to do something because for people who like both the choice seems pretty obvious right now, camaro is the best bang for your buck. And of course for comparing two competing models without calling the camaro ugly I'll be tagged as a troll and told to leave and go to the camaro forums too :eek: |
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good one....:eek:
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If your after V6 model go with what looks best.....Power should not be issue.
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ORIGINAL: Justinec101 I'll defend you. . . Sounds like you're going back and forth trying to make a logical decision over which car you want. A lot of people on here will just defend their brand to the death. I think it's stupid and the reason why American car companies were surpassed by the japanese, we were stupidly loyal to our fords, chevys, dodges and so the quality dropped and they made crap cars figuring we'd keep buying them anyway. I'm in the same boat but comparing the V6 models. I agree that the camaro isn't as pretty but I've yet to see it in person so my opinion there could change. I love the challenger but it seems like chevy has outdone it in hp and gas mileage at only $1000 more. It is nice not to be biased towards one brand so that I can make the best choice for myself. Right now I'm just hoping dodge will somehow respond with a price drop or a more powerful V6. They have to do something because for people who like both the choice seems pretty obvious right now, camaro is the best bang for your buck. And of course for comparing two competing models without calling the camaro ugly I'll be tagged as a troll and told to leave and go to the camaro forums too :eek: and no you wont only kevin is the devil around here hahaha |
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some people want good power and fun with a v6 too rubber....like if dodge would have had a 5 speed manual with the v6 more people would probably buy, mustang and the camaro have it for no charge why cant dodge...these are some of the small things that piss of current dodge owners such as myself. The SE is great and even with a 4 speed auto it still has to be fun riding around in a challenger. I think chyvy aimed more at the performance market with projected 1/4th mile time of 14 sec for the v6 and dodge aimed at the retro guys like alot of us here are.......
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Is it just me... or is it kind of puzzling that someone would come to a Challenger forum... filled with Mopar enthusiasts expecting that they will be somehow praised for helping us to see the light on the beauty power and mystic behind the new camero..?? Maybe I am just really missing something here..?? Or... maybe I should go join a camero forum myself and see how they welcome me shedding light on all my thoughts about the Challenger... :) |
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Justine , there is nothing at all wrong with a v6 Challenger , they are just as beautiful... There is a reason the v6 is half the price of the performance car ... it's because it's not a performance car. It's just not ... neither is the 2.7L Charger , 3.5 Charger , v6 Stang , or V6 Camaro (it sounded like a garbage can in Jay Leno's garage .. and 300HP is not performance. Maybe in a small lotus or 350z but not the Camaro) And Kevin ... Why don't you tell everyone on this board about your thoughts of "Canceling your D1 Status Challenger". Come on man lol I kinda feel bad for you now that this has gotten really big but please man ... stop arguing with everyone!! It's obvious you seek out other opinions and advice which is fine , but your doing it in kind of a "troll" way. And last comment about the Camaro : It could have 600 HP and be 5K less then the SRT and I wouldnt buy it because it's a Chevy and it's ugly in my eyes , and don't talk about numbers until someone takes ownership. |
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yea this is getting out of hand rudy and I thought this site had moderators....but i think jeremiah is at work right now.
oh well hopefully this crapfest will be closed soon. :) the midlife crisis bikers are begining to get angry. |
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ORIGINAL: mopar2ya Is it just me... or is it kind of puzzling that someone would come to a Challenger forum... filled with Mopar enthusiasts expecting that they will be somehow praised for helping us to see the light on the beauty power and mystic behind the new camero..?? Maybe I am just really missing something here..?? Or... maybe I should go join a camero forum myself and see how they welcome me shedding light on all my thoughts about the Challenger... :) |
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Power is an issue in whatever car you choose. There's no way in hell I would buy a challenger with the 2.7 even if it looked the same. Just because I can't afford the V8 doesn't mean I don't want a quick car for a great price. The V6 challenger is supposed to do 0-60 in 7.8 seconds but the camaro supposedly does it in 6. If you had a choice between two challengers with those specs you'd pick the quick one! The camaro is also supposed to get impressive gas mileage. Also chevy's got a better selection of colors on the V6 model, orange, bright blue, and yellow. . .
I'm not ready to jump ship yet though, I gotta wait and see what dodge does! The phoenix engine might solve the power and mpg issue and 2010 might bring a better selection of colors. |
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Should also mention that the V6 camaro's got a manual transmission standard and a six speed automatic optional. That will drag a few buyers to their side I'm sure.
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ORIGINAL: mopar2ya Is it just me... or is it kind of puzzling that someone would come to a Challenger forum... filled with Mopar enthusiasts expecting that they will be somehow praised for helping us to see the light on the beauty power and mystic behind the new camero..?? Maybe I am just really missing something here..?? Or... maybe I should go join a camero forum myself and see how they welcome me shedding light on all my thoughts about the Challenger... :) Some of us own more than one brand. Some of us will enjoy comparing our Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers. I will have all three soon, two owned, one to go, ordered today. Maybe it is you who should take a hike if you can't play nice? [8D] |
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I have had my share of manuals.
I think auto with the right torque converter will be quicker. I wonder if the new Camaro will need throw out bearing every 10k miles or so. I have changed more clutch & pressure plates than I ever wanted to. My Brother and his GM buddies always had that glorious hum/wine. I wonder if that will be the retro touch with the Camaro. |
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ORIGINAL: Justinec101 Should also mention that the V6 camaro's got a manual transmission standard and a six speed automatic optional. That will drag a few buyers to their side I'm sure. Whether Challenger or Camaro, each has its own enthusiasts who will buy his favorite regardless of what the competition offers. Personally, if I won a Camaro as a prize or something, I'd immediately trot out to Fiesta Dodge and trade it in on another Challenger, just like many Chevy guys probably would do if the situation were reversed. Particularly in the V-6 world, you're not talking about significant differences in performance, so it pretty much comes down to which car you like the looks of better. |
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ORIGINAL: SRT8 ORIGINAL: mopar2ya Is it just me... or is it kind of puzzling that someone would come to a Challenger forum... filled with Mopar enthusiasts expecting that they will be somehow praised for helping us to see the light on the beauty power and mystic behind the new camero..?? Maybe I am just really missing something here..?? Or... maybe I should go join a camero forum myself and see how they welcome me shedding light on all my thoughts about the Challenger... :) Some of us own more than one brand. Some of us will enjoy comparing our Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers. I will have all three soon, two owned, one to go, ordered today. Maybe it is you who should take a hike if you can't play nice? [8D] you sir........are a true car enthusiast.. |
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ORIGINAL: kevin2323 ORIGINAL: SRT8 ORIGINAL: mopar2ya Is it just me... or is it kind of puzzling that someone would come to a Challenger forum... filled with Mopar enthusiasts expecting that they will be somehow praised for helping us to see the light on the beauty power and mystic behind the new camero..?? Maybe I am just really missing something here..?? Or... maybe I should go join a camero forum myself and see how they welcome me shedding light on all my thoughts about the Challenger... :) Some of us own more than one brand. Some of us will enjoy comparing our Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers. I will have all three soon, two owned, one to go, ordered today. Maybe it is you who should take a hike if you can't play nice? [8D] you sir........are a true car enthusiast.. |
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ORIGINAL: Andre@Edge I get the feeling you wont be buying anything but a huffy 10 speed if you are only as old as you act. Good times. The thing was like 20 years old. we gave it away thankfully Sorry to change the subject. I would say we better all just get along and be happy Because by the looks of it the Challenger and Camaro are going to be cousins in this great big american auto industry family. So quit whinning. But just say the word and i'll hop out of this conversation.:) |
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YO GET OUTTA HERE MAN ....hahah just messin with you...you actually said it perfectly and funny thing is you are younger than all of us.
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ORIGINAL: kevin2323 you sir........are a true car enthusiast.. Sometimes I wonder if it's possible to be a car enthusiast around here instead of a dodge enthusiast. I like the Challenger but it's not the only car out there I'd like to own. Guess I don't fit in around here then eh? ;) Wish I made more money. Enough to afford all 3. Sadly I had to "settle" for the mustang. |
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ORIGINAL: kevin2323 yea this is getting out of hand rudy and I thought this site had moderators....but i think jeremiah is at work right now. Anyway, I believe we have room for enthusiasts from all walks of life, be they Mopar, GM or Ford. I love the Challenger, but guess what? I've also had 9 GM F-bodies (still have my 78 Formula and still drive it on occasion). Those who are so blinded to one brand and completely dismiss others are those I've never had much use for, and I've always thought such an attitude was, well... stupid. If someone actually wishes to expand their enthusiastic horizons and appreciate our competition and be a part of other forums, personally I don't have a problem with it. It's a shame that there are those here who apparently do. :eek: |
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Mopar through and through. But I do have an honest look (though skewd slightly) at other makes. All I own are Mopars and I really am settled in my ways. I will be the first to jump in to defend the defendable. But when it comes to facts its what it is. Speculation is just that and everybody has a say in that. I can take an honest discussion about the pony cars... but keep in mind this is a Challenger forum and they came here to talk about Challengers. I think if you took a Mopar guy or anyone positive on the Challenger and went to a Mustang or Camaro forum they would run into the same conflict or worse. If we keep the fact as facts there is little room for conflict. When I was a younger man there was not an internet. We did our talking on the street and let me tell you it got heated:D But could be settled quite quickly with a jount down the road. Thats how we did it then. Today we have thin skin and mouth off on a screen in front of our face. Face to face people have more repect and are choosing their words a little more carefully. So try to keep things in prospective and know that we are just talking cars here:D Now politcs and religion" thems fightin words";)
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Personally I look at it this way, it is a CHALLENGER forum. I know there are other makes and while bashing them may be fun it is a fact that people do own other cars as well as the Challenger they either bought or are buying. I have an 06 Mustang GT (wifes car) and a Chevy HHR (my daily). Now, these cars were bought with a purpose, gas being almost $5 made me sell my Avalanche as the 502 ci/4X4 was killing me in gas. My monthly was around $600 and that was tough to deal with. The HHR costs me about $100 a month, so purpose filled. The Mustang was bought for the wife as she wanted one for many years as her family had a 65 bought new and wore out. She wanted to have a new one. Again, purpose filled. Now, as for the Challenger, its my midlife crisis/end of life hotrod. Pure and simple. I can say its purpose will be filled quite nicely. I do not extole the virtues of Ford or Chevy, nor do I swear Chrylser as king of the heap. I do say I hate the new Camaro (a car, by the way I loved in the 60's)as it is butt ugly. My opinion, period. I hate the wife mustang but do drive it quite a bit. Plain and simple, every one has opinions, if you dont want to hear them dont read the post. No need to bash the people. I didnt read any rules that said we have to love Dodge only. as for the other side, if you cant take being bashed or have thin skin, I suggest again, not reading the post. Lastly, if you dont like whats being said and want to stop the thread from ongoing, quit posting replies trying to get the last word in.
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