Behind Detroit's sudden embrace of ethanol
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Behind Detroit's sudden embrace of ethanol
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Behind Detroit's sudden embrace of ethanol
Last updated January 27, 2008 4:23 p.m. PT
THE ECONOMIST
Two technological trends, both unimaginable a year ago, dominated the recent auto show in Detroit, the premier showcase for carmakers worldwide. One was the U-turn in the past decade's headlong pursuit of horsepower and size. The other, less apparent but possibly more significant, was the industry's wholehearted embrace of biofuels.
While carmakers wait for better batteries, gas-electric hybrids remain stuck in the slow lane -- and risk being overtaken by other technologies.
The third iteration of the Toyota Prius, with lithium-ion batteries that can be recharged from a socket at home as well as from the brakes and engine on the road, has been delayed again. Lithium-ion cells pack a far greater punch than today's nickel-metal-hydride batteries, but they continue to display explosive tendencies.
This summer, Honda will start leasing its clever fuel-cell car, the FCX Clarity. But judging from the limited numbers being made available and the steep $600-a-month leasing fee, the Clarity must be considered more a market-research exercise than an actual rollout.
In the meantime, with the global economy slowing fast and oil continuing to nudge $100 a barrel, carmakers worldwide are having to retool their wares in a hurry so as to appeal more to people's pockets than their fantasies.
In the process, diesel is becoming less of a dirty word -- a relic of Detroit's hastily converted gasoline engines that were pressed into service as passenger diesels in the aftermath of the 1973 oil shock. The noisy, smelly, lumbering brutes were ditched in the early 1980s when soaring oil prices returned to earth. But the unpleasant memory has lingered on.
Not so in Europe, where pump prices remained high, and diesel's 30 percent better fuel economy and greater torque won a loyal following. Thanks to innovations by Fiat, Bosch, Volkswagen and others, the modern turbo-charged diesel bears little resemblance to the smoky old clunkers Americans remember.
Today, one of two new cars in Europe is a diesel. In America, diesels account for less than 3 percent of cars and light trucks on the road. But that could quickly change, thanks to improvements in emission control and America's recent switch to low-sulphur diesel.
Ironically, despite their reputation of being dirty, diesel engines actually produce one-third less greenhouse gases than their gasoline equivalents. The price they pay, however, is more soot (known in the trade as "particulates") and nitrogen oxide in the exhaust pipe.
Until recently, that prevented diesels from being sold in California, one of the world's most profitable but persnickety car markets. But a change in the European Union's emission standards has forced European carmakers to produce diesels that are now even cleaner than California requires.
A month ago, Mercedes-Benz started selling a diesel version of its popular E-320 model in America -- the first diesel to meet the stringent emission standards of all 50 states. In Detroit, all the leading European, Japanese and Korean car companies had clean diesels on display. Expect them to start rolling into America later this year.
Still, the home team remains leery. While there is no shortage of state-of-the-art diesel technology in America, it mostly appears in engines for big rigs, buses, tractors and locomotives. Making clean, lightweight diesels for passenger cars is an altogether different matter.
Hence the move among American carmakers to concentrate instead on more familiar stopgap technologies. The current favorite is the "flex- fuel" vehicle that can run on either E85 (85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline) or straight gas
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So this article seems to assert what my grandfather used to indicate about ethanol in the 80's how it was just an energy sink that was being promoted by the government. The more things change the more they stay the same. Now, one thing...how did Brazil do it? Cane sugar produces more alcohol more affordably?
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Yeppers. Popsci had a different take on it, with special fungus that eat grass and produce either methane or ethanol. Kind of interesting from stand point of how fast it grows.....kind of makes one think of Kudzu as an energy source. Asian countries dine on it and it quickly proliferates and replenishes...of course, you have to contain it and whose to say how much it leaches from the soil....but if it were manageable, now that's a replenishable energy source.
I like the water thing....again...go to you tube and search hydrogen tap....you can spend an evening (and I have) watching that dude and his monotone drone conducting experiments with electrolysis trying to reproduce that guy's work whom allegedly figured it out then died of food poisoning...now, I love to pick fun at the conspiracy theorists as much as the next guy...but, the timing sure was odd....
I like the water thing....again...go to you tube and search hydrogen tap....you can spend an evening (and I have) watching that dude and his monotone drone conducting experiments with electrolysis trying to reproduce that guy's work whom allegedly figured it out then died of food poisoning...now, I love to pick fun at the conspiracy theorists as much as the next guy...but, the timing sure was odd....
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RE: Behind Detroit's sudden embrace of ethanol
my take on ethanol is that it is about the same as gasoline, so that means we could still have big engines. and if everyone started to farm agian the prices of ethanol would be lower than gas, so that means bigger engines right?
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You'll find lots of E85 pumps in this area. There are two in the town I went to college in and one in my hometown in Southern IL, but you don't see many people pumping it into their tanks (except for the uneducated people who think they can run it in a 01 Lincoln Continental, which isn't a FFV). I'm for new diesels, they are fast for their displacement, reliable, and get amazing fuel economy without sacrificing anything unlike the electrifying death traps (aka hybrids).
Ethanol is not the answer (or at least the way they are doing it isn't). They really ought to go with Butanol instead, better mileage, can run in any gas powered model without any special mods, can be shipped through a pipeline, more octane, etc.
Ethanol is not the answer (or at least the way they are doing it isn't). They really ought to go with Butanol instead, better mileage, can run in any gas powered model without any special mods, can be shipped through a pipeline, more octane, etc.
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