Gore: Climate crisis could attract next generation of engineers
 

Al Gore made that movie that talked about Global warming that did great in the US but poorly in Canada but our Canadian friends did not believe in Global warming.

Honestly I don't believe in it yet because I have not seen any positive proof.

The Embedded Systems conference below is an electronic show. Embedded systems are systems that have microprocessors that do specific tasks like washing machines, telephones, or yeah automobiles too. LOL!

The type of engineers we are behind are in electronic engineers compared to China and India. We need different engineers to take on the challenges
of global warming. Does anybody have a different opinion?

I am not sure I am making the connection. Why is he doing this speech at an electronic conference instead of a gas and oil conference?

Gore: Climate crisis could attract next generation of engineers


By Suzanne Deffree, News Editor -- Electronic News, 4/3/2007
SAN JOSE — Former Vice President Al Gore delivered an impassioned speech this morning at the Embedded Systems Conference (ESC), linking the global climate crisis to the engineering crisis in the United States.

Beginning his speech, Gore defined the word “crisis” as the Japanese and Chinese do, with two symbols that separately translate into danger and opportunity. From the 2000 presidential candidate’s view, the climate crisis, more often referred to as global warming, is a massive danger to our ecosystem but an opportunity for encouraging a new generation’s involvement in engineering.

As stated by many industry organizations including the AeA and Dean Kamen’s FIRST, the combined lack of young engineers and massive amount of soon-to-be retiring engineers could leave the United States at a significant competitive disadvantage if situation is left unchanged.

Gore pointed to the Soviet Union’s Sputnik program of the 1950s as a catalyst for his generation’s involvement in technology and science and said he believes the present danger to the Earth’s ecosystem could inspire the next generation of engineers.

“I have come to see the climate crisis as the most dangerous and important collision between our civilization and the ecosystem,” Gore said. “I really believe the climate crisis should be seen as an opportunity to bring focus and creativity to a worthy goal.…This challenge could be the way your profession attracts young people around the country.”

Gore, who was recently nominated for an Academy Award for his 2006 documentary film An Inconvenient Truth , stated that those in the embedded-systems field can be a big part of a solution to the climate crisis.

“Embedded systems can be a big part of this. [Embedded systems engineers] are embedding higher and higher levels of intelligence into everything,” he said, quipping “…except public policy.”

Without technical expertise, Gore pointed to power conservation and better efficiency as aids to lowering the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere.

“Asking better questions and systems design are really key to this,” Gore continued, noting that no-clean PCB (printed-circuit-board) processes designed to eliminate the use of ozone-depleting chemicals weren’t developed until an alternative view of the process was presented.

Gore concluded his speech by turning the climate crisis into a question of moral obligation, not a political problem.

“Just as Sputnik focused our attention, here we have a mandate from our children and grandchildren to understand that one day they will ask one of two questions: ‘What were they doing?’ or the latter, which I hope they will ask, ‘How did they find the moral courage to do what many said was impossible?’

“An engineer is someone who has a vision and puts that vision into a solution.…You can lead this evolution because engineering is making vision real.”

For commentary on Gore’s ESC keynote, see our blogs

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After the earth catches on fire in 8 years, 9 months, and 22 days, we will no longer have to fear man-bear-pig...unless he hides in the mines.

"The whole world will be a burning ball of fire!"

Al Gore is a weirdo who is doing anything to get attention. I think he is just doing this so then he can run again. He has set up a system for his religion called carbon credits which are about as effective as buying indulgences were when the Protestant Reformation happened. This is nothing other than a modern version of a pagan religion worshipping the earth.

I refuse to believe in it since it was hotter in the 1930s when there was less emissions coming from cars that were not running due to the fact that fewer people could afford to drive them as much as they can these days with all the high tech almost zero emission controls. Plus most of their solutions produce more pollution in one way or another than the normal route if you look at it. I refuse to believe something created by politicans. At one point, America was told that the earth was going to freeze, now we are being told it will be a blazing ball of fire, by about the same audience. They have an agenda and I won't buy it especially since my indoctrinators (excuse me instructors) try to force that belief down my throat. Anything they teach me which is off topic, I believe the opposite of.

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Its crap, if Gore wants everyone to cut down then why not park his jet that uses 3 times the amount in one day that the average American does in one year. Be a leader Mr Gore.. The guy is only doing it because he is making millions off of this so called "Global warming." I mean why is it sopposed to snow here in Ohio on friday, if the world is warming? Its April!!! The truth is the world has been warming since the ice age, nothing we can do about it..

Im telling you its the Dodge Challenger, last time it came out they were crying about Emissions. If gores people have it their way they are going to make you pay a "fine" or tax what ever you want to call it for polluting the air and not driving those gay junk hybrid cars that prob will only last 10 years, kinda like a throw away razor, use it a few times and throw it away.. Cheap easy and they are junk. So park your Jet and your hybrid pal and buy a Challenger.. :D Or we can always give him an oscar................[sm=wakeup.gif]

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Exactly and this is also what gets on my nerves. The Prius is a worse pollutes more than most vehicles, just read this article.
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188

They are inconsistent. It is nothing other than trying to force us to live like the Europeans. No offense to the Europeans but I refuse to live like Europeans. If I wanted to live like Europeans, I would live in Europe instead of the U.S.

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If there is global warming going on then Mr. Gore needs to tell mother nature because it is way colder than normal here in ohio

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You know even though the Prius pollutes more than anything that the Big Three can come up with, that does not stop the "scientist " from stating that Honda is the most "Earth Friendly" and Toyota is second in line.

My thoughts are if a car is to be popular or good it has to have good mpg and power. However these two don't go hand and hand just like day and night. However my truck defies this by not having either.:D[:@]

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Ditto for here in Missouri. His answer would be the fact that it is colder than normal proves the existance of global warming. I have heard that from those who follow his cult. In there eyes, everything is proof.

The fact of the matter is that Earth's temperature goes in trends, that is why there are sometimes mini-iceages and hot peroids. These have happened before greenhouse gases were an issue.

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The Scientists who say this have an agenda as well. Sometimes power and fuel economy do go together. In some upcoming diesels, you can have your cake and eat it too. Also as GM has proven, if you bring out a powerful V8 engine, all you need to do to counter the poor fuel economy in it is offer extremely tall gearing. Plus MDS systems and Direct Injection also help.

So your truck has neither? That would probably be due to the engine which your truck offers is underpowered; therefore, it has neither power nor fuel economy because it has to work so hard.

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I woke up this morning with snow on the ground and as i speak i cant see further than 100 yards the snow is falling so hard. Gore is a weirdo, everything that guy does has some twist to it. You tell him or his followers differently everything bounces off them like rubber. There are lots of scientists that dissagree with him.

In my mind other countries developing nukes that mean harm is more important than somthing we can do nothing about and making horribly junk cars in the meantime. Considering there are enough nukes in the world to kill every human 3 times from a nucular fallout.

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I agree he is strange, his house has a CO2 footprint greater than 20 normal houses would have, typical do as I say and not as I do attitude (closet aristocrat or limousine liberal), the green brigade has silenced or ostracized any scientist that contradicts the whole global warming crusade (see the New York Times article of a few weeks ago on this). I am by no means a climatologist but anyone that wishes can do their own research and the conclusion that any reasonable person would come up with is that the earth goes through cycles (heating and cooling over long periods), up until the middle ages the major rivers in Europe never froze during the winter months now they are freezing, Greenland was not covered in ice 50 million years ago (it was tropical), the Mississippi river was an ocean millenia ago, and the list goes on.
CO2 is a natural occurance on the Earth and mankind accounts for less that 4% of all the CO2 emmissions. I believe that if we want to reduce CO2 in our atmosphere (as the green brigade says we must) we need only plant more trees and manage our forests better, as plant matter uses CO2 and releases oxygen (funny how that works so good EH?).
CO2 is that easy to control and you need not be a world renowned scientist to figure that out.
This is just a preparation for a new money grab of some type, there is an economy of 7 Billion $, and growing every year, in this global warming crusade, so draw your own conclusions but remember as my dear departed Father (GOD rest his soul) said to me "If you want to find out the truth about something just follow the money" .
I personally am more concerned with the organic and inorganic pollutants we are discharging into the atmosphere and into our water, these things are the most difficult for our environment to cope with in the short term.
There I said my peace.
PG

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yes the global warming appears to be climbing at exponential rates... I saw that lexus just came out with a 400+ horsepower hybrid car. i assume that it is a good idea to take care of our planet like it is a 1969 challenger ... take good care of it and it might be here for the grandkids.

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I suggest you read the article about the Prius being more damaging by the rules of environmentalism than a Hummer. A hybrid Lexus would be even worse. The battery packs contribute heavily to pollution.

Global warming is full of it. Our nations fruit supply is proof of that. The last few weeks and this past winter have been proof that global warming is a media created lie.

Also, one of the hottest times in the last 100 years was back in the 1930s and that was in the middle of the great depression when there was significanly less driving due to people not having as much money for cars and gasoline.

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Thank God some sane people in the world. I know a guy that said 99% of the "credible" scientists agree there is global warming. Of course anyone that disagrees is deemed not credible. Please...

Our planet is OLD!!! We have (at best) 100 years of data and we want to make conclusions based upon that. What a joke. I seem to recall as a kid (some 30 years ago) we were headed for global cooling and another ice age. I guess this latest enviro-crisis plays better to crowds as warming.

The scary part is that politicians are scrambling to show they "care" enough to pass new and wonderful taxes on those of us not wanting to drive a mini-car powered by AA batteries. Lookout CA...you have a wonderful new tax headed your way. Even though these guys are idiots they need to be taken seriously and combated or folks like us will find our muscle car price tags even higher.

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Exactly. 100 years history is irrelevant when you take consideration how old the Earth is. The thing is there have supposively been ice ages come and go as well as extremely hot periods way before the first internal combustion engine was even dreamed up. The temperature on Earth is always changing and we are not the ones causing it. It is silly to think that something so insignificant like running a car could actually cause a massive change in the Earth's temperature.

I refuse to buy this stuff because I hear the same things being said about this in the same manner that the Y2K problem was being discussed. People swore impossible things like the roads would vanish, the water lines would disappear, and so forth. Now I hear an old has been politican making stupid claims like cow flatulations raises the earth's temperature. Oh really, and what do you suggest we do to solve that, give them Gas-X? I hear people like Gore say that in ten years the earth will be on fire. That is insane. The earth needs carbon dioxoide in order to keep the plants alive.

I agree it is scary about how the moronic politicians are trying to out do each other to show that they "care." The fact that the politicians are involved in this proves to me it is a crock. The new indulgence system known as "Carbon Credits" is proof of how fony this is. Paying money like that to cover for using a private jet is not going to magically remove the emissions from the air.

My advice is just elevate your feet and relax because it doesn't matter what we do, the temperature of the earth is going to keep changing whether we like it or not.

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I agree, the Earth goes in cycles.. also Mother Nature seems to have a pretty good knack of fixing herself up as well. Not that I throw my garbage all over the place and put oil down the drain but I'm not protecting ever single blade of grass either.

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Exactly. There is a difference between being sensible and being crazy about it. I recycle my cans because I get money for them. I use flurecent lights because it lowers the electricity bill plus I don't have to change them as often. I use ethanol because E10 offers the octane my car recommends for the same price and sometimes lower price than regular. I somtimes recycle plastic and paper if I have a huge amount piled up so then I can save money on trash bags. I throw trash in the trash can and not out of my car window when I'm driving, and I help sometimes to clean up highways. I believe in being a good steward, but I'm not going to buy carbon credits, drive a PZEV economy car, have a house powered by solar panels, and other radical things like that. That is just weird to do things like that.

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that is great you recycle your cans... but i dont think that is going to stop global warming...The greenhouse effect is unquestionably real and helps to regulate the temperature of our planet. It is essential for life on Earth and is one of Earth's natural processes. It is the result of heat absorption by certain gases in the atmosphere (called greenhouse gases because they effectively 'trap' heat in the lower atmosphere) and re-radiation downward of some of that heat. Water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas, followed by carbon dioxide and other trace gases. Without a natural greenhouse effect, the temperature of the Earth would be about zero degrees F (-18°C) instead of its present 57°F (14°C). So, the concern is not with the fact that we have a greenhouse effect, but whether human activities are leading to an enhancement of the greenhouse effect.


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Are greenhouse gases increasing?
Human activity has been increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (mostly carbon dioxide from combustion of coal, oil, and gas; plus a few other trace gases). There is no scientific debate on this point. Pre-industrial levels of carbon dioxide (prior to the start of the Industrial Revolution) were about 280 parts per million by volume (ppmv), and current levels are about 370 ppmv. The concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere today, has not been exceeded in the last 420,000 years, and likely not in the last 20 million years. According to the IPCC Special Report on Emission Scenarios (SRES), by the end of the 21st century, we could expect to see carbon dioxide concentrations of anywhere from 490 to 1260 ppm (75-350% above the pre-industrial concentration).


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Is the climate warming?
Yes. Global surface temperatures have increased about 0.6°C (plus or minus 0.2°C) since the late-19th century, and about 0.4°F (0.2 to 0.3°C) over the past 25 years (the period with the most credible data). The warming has not been globally uniform. Some areas (including parts of the southeastern U.S.) have, in fact, cooled over the last century. The recent warmth has been greatest over North America and Eurasia between 40 and 70°N. Warming, assisted by the record El Niño of 1997-1998, has continued right up to the present, with 2001 being the second warmest year on record after 1998.Indirect indicators of warming such as borehole temperatures, snow cover, and glacier recession data, are in substantial agreement with the more direct indicators of recent warmth. Evidence such as changes in glacier length is useful since it not only provides qualitative support for existing meteorological data, but glaciers often exist in places too remote to support meteorological stations, the records of glacial advance and retreat often extend back further than weather station records, and glaciers are usually at much higher alititudes that weather stations allowing us more insight into temperature changes higher in the atmosphere.

Large-scale measurements of sea-ice have only been possible since the satellite era, but through looking at a number of different satellite estimates, it has been determined that Arctic sea ice has decreased between 1973 and 1996 at a rate of -2.8 +/- 0.3%/decade. Although this seems to correspond to a general increase in temperature over the same period, there are lots of quasi-cyclic atmospheric dynamics (for example the Arctic Oscillation) which may also influence the extent and thickness of sea-ice in the Arctic. Sea-ice in the Antarctic has shown very little trend over the same period, or even a slight increase since 1979. Though extending the Antarctic sea-ice record back in time is more difficult due to the lack of direct observations in this part of the world.


For the Northern Hemisphere summer temperature, recent decades

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Have you not read anything we have said so far. The whole theory is illogical. These are the same people who were saying back in the 70s that global cooling was happening. They are basing this off of a mere 100 years history. I believe scientist have determined the Earth is 4.5 Billions years old. This is but a drop in the bucket. The solution that these people are suggeting have been proven not to work, infact there are other environmental damages according to the standards of the environmentalist communities. A hybrid in all truth causes more damage by the environmentalist standards than a Hummer does. If environmentalism was consistent, they would instead buy cars like a Ford Focus, Toyota Corolla, or non-Hybrid version of the Civic.

Even though I like fluecent lights because it keeps my power bill down, they also have their downsides according to the environmentalist community. They contain mercury.

The production of Ethanol causes its own share of emissions as well. From some things I have read recycling certain products produce more emissions than producing a new one.

The weather we have had this spring and winter is proof that Global Warming is a lie made by politicans who are trying to distract people from noticing the fact that they have no real moral issues that they stand for. It is made up by scientist who know if they keep lying to the public, they will get tons of funding. It is done by actors to replace Christianity because Christianity defines most of their behavior and movies to be immoral. You need to really look at the people who are supporting this crap. Larry David's wife state that there is more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in 650,000 years. Now the only way she could logically know this is if she is over 650,000 years old and had current day technology to properly judge this. Since she is not, all she is doing is adding more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere over nothing.

The fact is that IF global warming is real (major if), then you might as well relax because we really have no way to stop it. Volcanic erruptions contribute way more than we do. The thrid world countries who we are beginning to trade have almost no emission regulations and they are not going to adapt since this will cost them their competitive advantage. The trips these bozos take to preach to us on their private jets produce a lot more emissions than we ever do. Then they buy "carbon credits" the pagan's version of indulgences which do nothing. Also vehicles are way cleaner than they were back in the 70s yet according to the environmentalist community, this has made no improvements. Much more will we have to sacrifice before it is enough. Draw a line and stick with it. I will not sacrifice my life style for other people's illogical beliefs. As I said before, I don't mind being sensible but I going to enjoy a nice gas guzzling muscle car with as little emission regulations as possible no matter how expensive gas is. CO2 is necessary for plants to survive, it isn't that bad.[sm=rant.gif]

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tell that to the poor little "o" polar bears dying in the artic because their habitat is melting. yes fluorscent lights contain mercury that is why i dont use them. and tell the people in venice italy the ocean is not rising their shops are flooding because someone left the toilet running.. oh ya and tell the scientist measuring the hole in the ozone that their measurements are off.... or better yet they are just conspiring to keep their jobs cause they have nothing else better to do. dude look around. but i agree battery cars are just as harmfull as any other cars. If you were reading what i wrote then you know i was just complaining about the problem not offering any real solutions... that is the hard part.. anyone can complain.

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The little "o" polar bears habitat has been melting for millions of years. Look at this way its short and simple. Everything was changing before vehicles and AL GORES JETS were here, and not much has changed except the fact that people blame it on that. Whats next you cant have a fire in your back yard because its harmfull? In 30 years Gore or someone like him will be up to somthing else trying to cover for his Global Warming scam.

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The U.S. alone has blowup over 330 nuclear bombs in the atmospohere and we are all still here.

A Category 4 hurricane might level buildings over an area of 2,500 square miles. It would take a 10-megaton nuclear weapon to inflict damage over such a wide area. By comparison, the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were only about 15 and 21 kilotons.

Just goes to show you that hurricanes are much more powerful than megaton nuclear bombs and everything is still okay.

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Channel 4 in the UK has produced a documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle". We probably won't see this show in the US - it's intelligent and presents scientific facts.

Excerpts from their website:

Are you green? How many flights have you taken in the last year? Feeling guilty about all those unnecessary car journeys? Well, maybe there's no need to feel bad.

According to a group of scientists brought together by documentary-maker Martin Durkin, if the planet is heating up, it isn't your fault and there's nothing you can do about it.

We've almost begun to take it for granted that climate change is a man-made phenomenon. But just as the environmental lobby think they've got our attention, a group of naysayers have emerged to slay the whole premise of global warming.

Check it out at:

http://www.channel4.com/science/micr...rming_swindle/

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Attempts to appeal to one's emotions are logical fallacies. Even if the ice wasn't melting (if it is), some of these would still die regardless. Animals eventually learn how to adapt. They have been through this before and have survived. Don't worry about it.

I simply have learned to ignore scientists because they normally fill the news with doom and gloom about how we are all going to die. They have studies on whether to eat the skin of a potato. They keep going back and forth on that. They go back and forth on whether coffee is good or bad for you. They got us all worked up on Y2K and nothing happened. People swore to me after hearing that B.S. that the highways were going to literally disappear as well as the water lines and other crazy things. The fact is scientists regularly build a theory on top of a theory, on top of a theory, on top of a theory, on top of a theory, on top of a theory, on top of a theory, and so on until they give us their new theory.

Remember theories can neither be proven nor disproven. Let's think about what can qualify as a theory for a minuet. One possible theory about the creation of the universe is a gigantic being belched infront of a gigantic star which caused the big bag. This can neither be proven nor disproven, but common sense tells you it is just plain stupid to consider nor less believe. Scientist really don't know as much as they would like us to believe they do. So why do they keep reversing themselves on these studies? Because they get funding for each study. They support this radical version of environmentalism because they get financial support and/or they believe in the religion that is reemerging from all of this, worshipping the Earth.

Okay then why even comment if you do not have any suggestions? If you have even stated that you believe that these batteries used in hybrids make them just as bad if not worse than normal cars, why suggest that we should switch?

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Some points of contention...I just got back from Venice. The Sea is not rising inasmuch as the buildings are sinking. They were not built on bedrock and the weight is pushing them down. Your post prior to this makes some points that should cause you to THINK rather than regurgitate the lines that Algore spoon feeds his enviro-cult. You correctly point out our data is captured within an extremely small time-frame. 25, 100, or even 1000 years of data with respect to geologic time and events is not even a blip. It's NOTHING! To draw conclusions about global climate effects is PREPOSTEROUS. It's amazing to me that the guilt peddlers sell this message to people and some of them buy the premise that man (and specifically the U.S.) is the cause.

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You know that Inconvenient Al was the one that told people to use fluorescent lights because they are better. So you are stating that he is wrong. Also, have you ever been to Venice? The place is a on going flood and it is very old. Your points make no sense and are not backed up by hard as rock facts. The world is constantly changing by actions that we have no control over. Volcanic eruptions contribute way more than we do and what are we going to do. Tap off a volcano so it won't erupt? This would split the planet into stones floating in space. [sm=rant.gif]