My two cents Camaro
 

First let me say I am a Chevy guy. I have always loved the Chevy muscle and was really looking forward to a new Camaro setting in the driveway. I loved the look of the Challenger and could not wait to see the Camaro. I searched every night for “leaked” photos of the Camaro. When the pictures started showing up I was floored. I thought it looked strange. I could not get over how odd it looked. There was no way I could buy a Camaro because I really did not like the way it looked. I feel Chevy really missed the mark on this one and deep down I know some big wigs at Chevy regret not going retro. Man I would have loved a retro 69 Chevelle.

Today I am a Mopar 2009 Challenger RT owner and loving every minute of it. This car is really a blast to drive and people love the look. It is not the fasted car out there but it does not need to out run the look. When I was reading all the reviews comparing the Camaro/Challenger/Mustang the main comments made about the Challenger is how people loved the look. It was not the fastest it was not the best at handling but based on the way the reviews read it was the best looking. I can make changes to my Challenger to make it faster. Lets see the Chevy guys make changes to make theirs look better.

To me this explains everything

Challenger designer:
http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do;...p=entry&id=282

Camaro designer:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...578861039.html

Congrats on your R/T! The Camaro is not a bad design, but the Challenger is a total homerun.

Chevy had 2 prototypes of the new Camaro to pick from.
One had a '69 Grill and the other looked like Tron.

As we all know, they went with Tron!
hehehe

"Man I would have loved a retro 69 Chevelle".

I have been saying that all along! Chevy should have thought outside the box and done a retro Chevelle-how cool would that have been (if executed properly)? As I said I have a Challenger and love it and still get a rise when I see another on the road, when I see the Camaro I just dont get that ohhh ahhh feeling, they missed it in my opinion.

Well the 2 designers for the Challenger were young aspiring americans who brought in classic 70's challengers for inspiration..........and the chevy design team was, aside from Mr. Lee (a Korean), the two other principle designers for the new Camaro were Vladimir Kapitonov from Russia and Luciano Nakamura, a Brazilian of Japanese ancestry.

Hmmmm.....classic chevy......not.

Nothing against them or their car, but it seems to be marketed towards the tuner crowd of Hyundai, Honda, Toyota and Nissan. Not Dodge and Ford.

Thing that amazes me is that some people claim that this Camaro looks retro. It does NOT look retro at all. The previous Mustang was much closer to retro than this thing will ever be in my eyes. Note to Government Motors, your killing the wrong division.

Not in the Camaro,s defense.But,even if any of it is true,the Mustang was designed by a Vietnam refugee.He might have been a son of the Viet Cong.

I feel that for the sake of being historical accurate, I should point out that the first of the Mustangs were designed in the early 60’s, predating our total involvement in the Vietnam War. Therefore the Mustang could not have been designed by any Viet Cong member, or son of. However, perhaps some Germans had a hand in the Mustang’s design since it was designed less than twenty years following the end of WWII, but they were busy with the Porsche, BMW, and Volkswagen. So I have to say that the Mustang was designed by an American…for Americans…And, lets not forget that without the Mustang, there would be no Dodge Challenger, or Camaro for that matter….so it’s not all bad, it just that the Challenger is better…..

Just my two cents.....when comparing the Camaro to the Challenger....the Camaro goes nowhere...

hehehe
Funny pic.
I'll have to send that one to my dad.

Your comments prove that you don,t know automotive journalism or facts.I was speaking of the current design of the latest generation of the Mustang.Heck,Ford was promoting this Viet engineer and giving him full credit for the retro design.He was born in Vietnam,and was a refugee and came to this country as a child or teenager,I forget which.But one thing that I am sure of,we all paid for his free education,and Ford probably hired him under the immigration crap.

Well with all due respect, you can look at this in one of two ways. You can look at the possibility that he has a family that has done things that has made us our enemy and should carry that status on top of ripping off an education at our expense, or you can look at it this way. He choose a better life for himself that included getting away from the ways of his parents. Yes, he has an education at our expense, but unlike thousands of "professional college students" or civilian Gov't employees who don't ask but instead demand what their country can do for them get a bunch of degrees in subjects that they don't need to fulfill their duties just to one up each other and in some cases can get off of working for to go full time while having tuition paid for AND get full pay at the same time just to do basic office work meanwhile the people risking their lives to maintain our freedom get paid next to nothing, this person is repaying the tax payers by becoming a valuable taxpayer himself by creating wealth AND providing the country with a car that they will love and adore.

I don't believe people should be judged because of who their parents are because many times the children are very much unlike their parents and that can be good or bad. There are cases in history that we know of like in the case of royal families and in family dominated companies like Ford and Anheuser-Busch where the brats of a good leader run the country or company into the ground, but the United States by definition is a country of opportunity still and many people who were previously persecuted or from a poor background have become rich and successful. My theory is let each person prove themselves. Don't expect that just because someone shares the same last name as someone else that they are the same person and will have the same impact on the world.

Well said. I pray we can hang on to the American way. I am so much against redistribution of wealth and various other crutches that try to even out the field. Its America, put some effort forth and don't penelize ambition and good old "get it done". As far as leagle immigration... I'm all for it and it enriches the country with more diverse flavours. Heres to the American way and the American Muscle... "long live American Muscle". When folks live the American dream they then understand what we are all about. Freedom to be what your goals will let you be.

hate to change the subject back to the camaro.. but.. i drove my challenger to the local chevy dealership to see the unvailing of the new camaro a while back... and i heard from a buddy of mine that works at the dodge dealership that after seeing my car next to the camaro 5 people came next door to the dodge dealer to buy the challenger.. yeah... i know my challenger kicks booty

nice good to hear that

Point well taken,you are very accurate on your assessment.Thank you.

The more I see the Camaro, the better it looks....to a point. I guess you just have to get use to it's new look. But having said that, I still like the Challenger 100% better in most all areas, and I have to also say that I think the Mustang even looks better than the new Camaro. Would I buy a new Camaro? In this day and age when the muscle car seems to be going away (perhaps for the last time)...yes, if I had the extra money I would buy one, fortunately I don't have that much extra money laying around (thank you Federal Government) so I don't have to prove that I would.......
Just remember that both Camaro and Mustang owners are our brothers in that they are facing the same ax as we are....
It was nice while it lasted....

Well someone had to be first......luckly it was a rental from Avis. Spotted at the DFW airport...Looks as if someone tried to take flight, after the flight.....Story stated that the Camaro was a V-6 and only had 1,100 miles on it...."Break it in, or break it"....that's how I drive my rentals....................RIP poor Camaro......V-6 or not you deserved better....

On the question of does the new Camaro look retro, you decide
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...o/P1040670.jpg
'08 Challenger SRT8 vs '70 Challenger T/A
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...s/P1030679.jpg
As an owner of a 2010 Camaro 2LT RS and a 2008 Challenger SRT8...
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...P1040708-1.jpg

Both cars have their pros and cons, I'm just glad that we have these two cars back on the streets!