Well yo can say I'm probably wrong and you can stick to the countdown, and I guess I wouldn't blame you if that makes you feel better, but I promise I think this information is correct, I just don't believe that Dodge ucan afford to wait that long this car has been in magazines for two years and I juts can't see them waiting that long to start producing the car, they have everythig ready and I believe they will be out by Fall 2007. And I think the Camaro will be out Early Jan-Feb 2008 or Spring 2008 as a 2009 model becasue after January 8, 2008 you can release a car as a 2009 model, and I don't believe Chevy is dumb enough to wait that long to come back to the pony wars. But anyways I just thought that people would be glad I shared this info don't hate me or call me a liar, and none of you have but if anyone is tempted please refrain yourself and respect peoples opinions, because I've gotten alot of crap on onther forums in the past because people cant respecto ther people, thanks.