while im not a huge fan of the mustang, ive been considering a terminator for a while now...12s out of the box, and if nothing else, ford is going something to keep those who want a muscle car happy. the charger isnt a bad car at all, but its a bulky sedan...and i dont like that you really cant get a performance car with a manual transmission, without spending 80 grand on a viper. while some may not like ths neon srt4, it was a good performing car, and theyre fun to drive...so they stopped making it?