I hold no loyalty to no one automaker, not ever since I started driving, almost 30 years ago now. My money will go to who ever builds a car that really turns me on for the money I will want to spend, so if they overprice the Challenger[sm=badidea.gif], your right they can stick where the sun don't shine. It will will be the biggest mistake in Chryler history not to market this car to the average working stiff. I'll just hand my money over to GM for a ragtop Camaro, a very close second for me. Jeri your right though,I havn't given up yet, I will just wait it out also.