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Default RE: Sorry Mopar, This Challenger lacks "It"

All I can say is wow. Alright, I'll begin with tass. I understand that you like the more aerodynamic styling. I also like aerodynamic styling, but the simple fact of the matter is that we are in a boxy era and the Challenger is using an ex-luxury car platform because thanks to Deter, Chrysler had to use the a MB platform instead of making their own to cut R&D costs, though I question if this really saved anything. My advice is be thankful it was built in the first place. The car is so heavy because the market demands safer cars. Ever since the whole Firestone Wilderness incident, people have been getting quite anal-retentive about safety, if it doesn't perform perfectly in the crash tests, the manufactures will be accused of "intentionally trying to make dangerous cars with the intention of killing their customer" because we all know that the car companies want to kill their customer base so then they can sell more cars. I think the only way that this could be resolved is by shorting the platform further as I have said many times that I think the new Challenger could have been called the Charger with how large the car is, but unfortunately, I'm not the decision maker. I understand that your not crazy about the current styling, the issue is that the Challenger was probably never going to receive the concept styling. It is rare when the interior styling is carried into the production. The fact of the matter is the Challenger shares exactly the same amount of styling to the Charger as the Mustang has the interior of the MKZ. Companies share parts between models, they do this because of economies of scale. Its just the way things are. I understand that back in the day the Challenger could fight against the Corvette although it was meant to go against the other pony cars, but the problem is again times have changed and so has the industry. They can't make the Challenger both safe, lightweight, and affordable at the same time with what we have to work with in the industry. Part of what you are forgetting in this comparison is how aggressive GM is right now with the Corvette, they keep updating it like crazy to make it into a world-class sports car by trying to aim it for the Supercar class, whereas they weren't nearly as aggressive with the Vette as they are now back in the 70s.

Now to Albeeno, I understand what you are saying about the quick changes from the Taurus, to the Five Hundred, back to the Taurus, but there are a few things you are mistake on. Although they looked similar (probably why it was a flop), the Five Hundred pretty much shared only one thing with the Taurus, the 3.0L Duratech engine and that is it. The platform Ford used for the Five Hundred is a completely different platform than what they used on the Taurus, they used a Volvo platform for the Five Hundred whereas the old Taurus used a Ford platform. For the "new" Taurus, Ford's changes were very minute. They put in a different grille, different head lights, different tail lights, dropped in a new engine and transmission and lost the CVT for the AWD (thank goodness). The point is the shape of the overall car remained pretty much the same. The Charger to the Challenger is a whole different animal. Chrysler first wanted to test the waters for RWD before trying the full-blown muscle car approach. Once they saw that the market was their, they decided to do the Challenger right by not only making it a coupe on a platform that had only been used for sedans in the past, but also really changed the overall look and so forth. The reason why this stuff took so long was the fact that you have to put it through all the different gov't required testing. I remember hearing in a documentary on the 04-06 GTO, the reason why it looked so much like the Grand Prix was because this was a way to let them get it out on the road faster so then they wouldn't have to go through all the testing they had to go through otherwise, and it turned out to be
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