[sm=feedback.gif]sdtoothdoc, yes we have another post about 2009 and its on Page 8 and the title of the post is " Has anyone been able to order a 2009 yet? " I made the post and its fine with me if its ok with you to combine the 2 posts either way. If the adminstrators wish to do this its OK with me ass it would be better that way , Thanks , Fat Cat[sm=gears.gif]