I'll be 60 in Jan. And have purchased close to 20 new car's or truck's beside's a few good used one's in my life. I hate it when salespeople play games. And sometime you get a good salesperson . But their boss has dollar sign's. I don't mind paying MSRP. But have never paid over . My R/T was marked up $4000.00 over MSRP . I said no ! and the salesperson asked what if that went away. And I said then we could talk. I had tried to trade a month earlier on a SRT8 Challenger with 300 mile's on it at my local dealer with no luck. And I had purchased a new 06 300C and 07 Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 from them . I wanted to trade the truck in . But with gas as high as it was then ( over $4.00 ) I understood why they didn't want it. The dealer I got my R/T from wanted the truck with gas below $2.00. Best make the deal when the iron is hot. I try and treat everyone fair. And I want to be treated that way also.