RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

There are other reasons why people will still buy the SRTs. For one reason, people might buy the SRTs because it would become more of a collector's model. It's an investment of sorts. The R/Ts will probably not be worth nearly as much 30 yrs or more down the road. Considering that God willing I should still be on this planet due to my age 30 yrs from now, I would prefer to have the one that is worth more in the long run.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

For me, I'm after the biggest, baddest model available. Anything else is just "uncivilized".. :D

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

so what is the average combined gas milage of the 6.1 liter

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Of course, if you intend to keep the car for 30 years, the lifetime powertrain warranty you get with the R/T is even more valuable.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

According to Chrysler's web site, the 6.1 gets 13mpg city, 18mpg highway. Of course there was a * next to that! The combined would be about 15-16 mpg*.



*My guesstimate

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

so the gas guzzler tax on the 2008 SRT8 challenger is gonna be over 2 grand

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

So starting at 38K you add the 2.3K for the Gas Tax, and then you have to add all the options you want. Hmmmm, seems to me the "plated" Challenger will come in at about the same price as the SRT8 Charger, roughly 44K out the door. Oh, ya, then there is that little matter of the gouge and screw mark-up, let's see, add about 5-7K for that, eyup, that puts the first releases just about where we all thought they would be, 52K.

A fool and his money - screw waiting 30 years to get that back - I am into an '09 after all you Bankers and Lawyers buys yours.

73Cuda340 \\\\\\\\ 09Challenger6.1 (trying it on for size 8^) )

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

First of all, welcome to the site pestep. Not necessarily, the thing you have to remember is that the lifetime powertrain warrantee is limited to just the powertrain and would be very easy to void. Chances are you would have to have the dealer do all of the services instead of any DIY (do it yourself) which will be charged at a premium. I admit I'm not an expert at warrantees, but I'm sure most of the things you would have to repair the warrantee would not even cover (gaskets, sensors, and the such). It would probably just cover the engine itself if it was blown. Considering how I plan to take care of it, this will probably not be a very big issue.

Besides the value of the Challenger itself with a 6.1L as opposed to the 5.7L will probably be the value difference between a 426 Hemi powered Challenger as opposed to the 440. The 426 is still worth a whole lot more because it is more sought after due to the legendary reputation and it is more rare despite the fact that the 440 is really a more practical choice with ever so slightly less power. It will even itself out and then some.

Remember guys that the fuel economy might be different with the manual. Generally, manual versions get better fuel efficiency thanks to the fact that they are more efficient in the power transfer. It also could be improved depending on what gears are used in the Tremec. If the combined top gear ratio is taller in the manual version than the combined top gear ratio in the automatic, that will help remedy the problem. The short gearing that the LX car's 6.1L models feature deserves a lot of the blame for the lower fuel efficiency, as well as the inefficiency in that MB designed 5-speed auto.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

also the fact that in 30 years gasoline powered cars wont be around or be allowed to be used on the streets since by then we will all be using flying deloreans with mr fusion

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

The combined city/highway EPA rating for the SRT Challenger w/auto will be 19 mpg. Hard to say what the manual will end up at, different gear ratios and all.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Just in case anyone wanted to know, the gas guzzling tax on the auto Charger 6.1L is $2,163. If the Challenger is the same then this car will be the exact same price as the Charger right down to the V6 by the looks of things.


http://www.carsdirect.com/build/opti...&restore=false

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

the challenger will cost more due to the markup the dealers will impose on the car

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

I was talking the suggested MSRP with the gas guzzling tax. So after the hype dies, the price should be the same.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

On the subject of the Gas Guzzler tax...

Why is it that when I go to Dodge.com's "Build a Charger" site and price an SRT8 it adds the $2100 charge, but when I build a Daytona 5.7 it doesn't add anything? According to the formula mentioned by Paladin earlier and confirmed here there should be a $1300 charge for the 5.7. I guess we all assume the Tax to be the same for the Challenger with the corresponding engine. I'm just wondering if Dodge "forgot" to mention the GGT on the Charger 5.7.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

The 5.7 Hemi, with MDS, does not warrant the gas guzzler tax.

For an explanation, see:

For those of use buying a 6.1 L Hemi, a $2,100 "gas guzzler" (Federal) tax will be added to the sticker price of all SRTs (not 5.7 L R/Ts). This is because of the poorer mileage (i.e., less than 19.5 mpg city/highway).

The following explains how the tax is calculated:

The Energy Tax Act of 1978 established a Gas Guzzler Tax on the sale of new model year vehicles whose fuel economy fails to meet certain statutory levels. The gas guzzler tax applies only to cars (not trucks) and is collected by the IRS.

The fuel economy figures used to determine the Gas Guzzler Tax are different from the fuel economy values provided on this web site and in the Fuel Economy Guide. The tax does not depend on your actual on-the-road mpg, which may be more or less than the EPA published value. The purpose of the Gas Guzzler Tax is to discourage the production and purchase of fuel inefficient vehicles. The amount of any applicable Gas Guzzler Tax paid by the manufacturer will be disclosed on the automobile's fuel economy label (the window sticker on new cars).

GAS GUZZLER TAX
Unadjusted MPG (combined)*
Tax

at least 22.5
No tax

at least 21.5, but less than 22.5

$1000

at least 20.5, but less than 21.5

$1300

at least 19.5, but less than 20.5

$1700

at least 18.5, but less than 19.5

$2100 (6.1 L Hemi)


at least 17.5, but less than 18.5

$2600

at least 16.5, but less than 17.5

$3000

at least 15.5, but less than 16.5

$3700

at least 14.5, but less than 15.5

$4500

at least 13.5, but less than 14.5

$5400

at least 12.5, but less than 13.5

$6400

less than 12.5

$7700


* The combined fuel economy MPG value (55% city, 45% highway) is used to determine tax liability. The MPG value is also adjusted slightly to account for differences in test procedures made since the base year, but it is not adjusted for in-use short fall. The unadjusted combined MPG of a vehicle can be approximated from the city and highway values provided in the Fuel Economy Guide and on this website by the following equation:

(1/(.495/City MPG + .351/Highway MPG)) + .15
Since this is an approximate calculation, the actual gas guzzler tax may be off by one tax bracket.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Thanks for the reply, Cuda, but I still don't get the math.

According to Dodge.com, the current Charger with 5.7 & MDS gets 15 MPG City and 23 MPG Hwy. So:

(1/(.495/15 + .351/23)) + .15 = 20.87 which is $1300 Tax according to your chart.

When they say "The fuel economy figures used to determine the Gas Guzzler Tax are different from the fuel economy values provided on this web site and in the Fuel Economy Guide." are they saying that the MPG numbers on the window sticker and the numbers on the Dodge website are not what they use for the calculation?

Sorry to be a pest about this, but a GG Tax might be a deal breaker for me. It's not that $1300 would break me, and the MPG is what it is whether the government labels it a Guzzler or not. But in this day and age of high gas prices it's going to be hard to sell my wife on the idea of a big V8 if it says "Gas Guzzler" right there on it! She's OK with me getting the car. After all, I bought her a Firebird Formula in '93 with a 5.7 in it. But gas was under a dollar a gallon back then.

Well, I've still got a year-and-a-half or so to get used to the idea. Maybe my knee will stop jerking by then!

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Well just take a black marker and cover the gas guzzler information and maybe she will not notice. :D

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

[quote]ORIGINAL: WhiteHeat
Thanks for the reply, Cuda, but I still don't get the math.

I think the tax rate does not work because the mpg on all cars were adjusted downard this year and the formula was not adjusted. Don't sweat it. Buy that R/T! The 5.7 is Dodge's base V8. It has MDS and does not carry a gas guzzler tax. If you look on the EPA website, you will see that only the 6.1 is listed. See: http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/guzzler/420b06009.pdf

Also, you can log onto www.dodge.com and look at the window stickers of any Dodge vehicle on any dealer's lot. Compare a 2008 5.7 Charger R/T (no gas guzzler tax) to a Charger SRT ($2,100 gas guzzler tax). Steve White Dodge has both in stock. Use 28602 zip to log onto his inventory.

One way to avoid the gas guzzler tax on a 6.1 SRT is it buy it used (if you can get one with low mileage that has not been abused).

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

You're right, Cuda. If the current Charger R/T with 5.7 doesn't carry a GGT then I guess I can rest assured the Challenger won't, either.

I had considered going the used route to avoid the GGT. I even found a steal on a Charger SRT, or some kind of typo. This one is too good to be true. I wonder what's wrong with it?

I guess I can keep the faith until I'm able to buy. Until then I'll just have to live vicariously through all the happy owners on this board!

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

"Uh, yeah, Honey. They redacted that part of the sticker. Must've been for security reasons."

;)

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

That price is too good to be true. According to edmunds, the price should be $30,094 (private seller). If a dealer was selling it, he would ask $31,559. I would be very wary of this car. Maybe you should ask if it has a motor! :D

Searching the VIN#, I found another ad, on CARMAX, for this same car for $35,998. Something is screwy. The ad you saw was from a private seller in TN. This ad is for an SRT in CA with the same VIN. See:

Find Used DODGE CHARGER Cars In Sanger, California on Yahoo! AutosVIN: 2B3LA73WX7H652277, $35998. price. 2143. mileage. 17.16 mi. from ZIP. Dealer. CARMAX. See Our Current Offers. More Photos. 2006. year. Dodge Charger ...

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Acutally I found out today .....and it hurts me to tell you this but me at 47 wont be buying one anytime soon.......the dealer in elk grove california is asking 58,995 for the new challengers

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

That's a 50% mark-up over MSPR. I'll be waiting also.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

This keeps gettin' weirder. I found the one you're talking about. The Yahoo! page no longer has it, but it shows up in the Google cache. It was in Sanger, CA with 2143 miles, now it's in Dunlap, TN with 1675 miles. They must have driven it to Tennessee backwards!:)

PS To All: Sorry about the off topic post. We now return you to your normal programming.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Here is a further explanation about the calculation of the gas guzzler tax:

As many of you already know, the EPA has revised its testing procedures for the 2008 models. This has created a fear that even the 5.7 Hemi would be subject to the dreaded gas guzzler tax (i.e., $2,000) based on its advertised EPA 15 city, 23 highway mileage.

Rest assured that this will not happen. Apparently, the car manufacturers are able to use higher mileage figures based on the following:

"EPA studies indicate that vehicles driven by typical drivers under typical road conditions get approximately 90 percent of the laboratory test-based city miles per gallon (mpg) value and approximately 78 percent of laboratory highway mpg value. This difference is referred to as “in-use shortfall.” To account for the in-use shortfall, the city and highway mpg values listed in Fuel Economy Guide and shown on fuel economy labels are multiplied by 0.90 for the city test and 0.78 for the highway test. However, the combined city and highway fuel economy that is used to determine tax liability is not adjusted to account for in-use shortfall, so it is higher than the mpg values provided in the Fuel Economy Guide (www.fueleconomy.gov) and posted on the window stickers of new vehicles."

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

so what do we think the price will be for the R/T 31 grand and the V6 sxt 24 grand?

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Just saw this today at www.redetterdodge.com

http://www.redletterdodge.com/?pid=e...etterDodgeBody

This is a dispatch from within the company that we’re offering up to you folks to enjoy…more to come. –RLD

You want popular? Try the all-new 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8. Just in the first day of orders, more than 4,300 people plunked down a deposit for the American muscle coupe. And more than 6,000 have made deposits with dealers by hopeful buyers since orders opened on Monday, months before the limited-edition Challenger SRT8 goes into production.

“This is unprecedented,” said Mark Mallie, Challenger Brand Manager – Dodge Marketing. “Customers were actually coming to us and pushing us, so we thought this was a good time to take pre-sale orders.”

Orders are still coming in – long before enthusiasts have even seen the car. They’ll have to wait until the production Dodge Challenger SRT8 makes its debut at the Chicago Auto Show next February. But there’s no surprise about the benchmark performance of the Challenger SRT8. Each is powered by a 6.1 Liter SRT HEMI ® V8 engine, and features a numbered dash plaque, plus dual “carbon-fiber” look hood stripes that harken back to the original Dodge Challenger.

The car is available in black, silver or HEMI orange.

“More than half of the orders are HEMI Orange,” Mallie said. “It’s been almost 35 years since the last Challenger, and there’s a lot of interest. There’s a lot of people anxious for it. It’s certainly an iconic muscle car.”

The manufacturer’s suggested retail price is $40,095 excluding tax (base price of $37,320, destination of $675 and a gas guzzler tax of $2100). Remember – this is a SRT, delivering top-of-the-line performance, world-class ride and handling, benchmark braking and a race-inspired interior.

The muscle car wars start next spring, when deliveries begin for the Challenger SRT8.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Another site has posted an actual dealer invoice for a 2008 Challenger. It reflects the following:

Base- $37, 320 MSRP $34,803 Dealer Cost

Perf. Tires- $50 $46

MyGIG Multimedia- $890 $819

Gas Guzzler Tax- $2,100 $2,163

Destination-$675 $675

Total- $41,985 $40,027 (Difference= $1,958)

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

you gotta wonder if all this info that is slowly coming out about the challenger is being leaked on purpose by chrysler

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

It does make one wonder how much is leaked in a clandestine way with the full blessing of Mother Mopar.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

With jobs becoming scarcer in Detroit, I'd be very surprised that someone would risk theirs to put out info without the blessing of their superiors. This is all done to keep interest up. Make you feel like you're getting the inside scoop.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Most of the information on our site is available directly from Dodge but not necessarily the dealerships. They seem to be the last to know.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

In deed Jeremiah, the lion's share of feedback from those ordering or inquiring about information related to ordering before, was that the many of the dealers knew less than did we.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Well I plan on buying in 2010. The only way for me to do this is to have at least $20K cash to put down. So I'm busy saving around 8-10 a year right now. Trying hard to make this happen.

40 g's is about my limit. If I'm lucky by 2010 maybe prices will have settled down to 36-38. Would be nice. You can dream right? lol

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Just ordered mine last night. Here in Pittsburgh the price is 40k and the dealer added 10 just because they can.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

You might even find some people who are not insanely committed to this vehicle like the all us lunatics here. So maybe some guy with more money than passion, gets swept up in the craze buys an 08 or 09 and falls out of love? Maybe you get a low mileage more reasonably price used one? Could happen! I may even hit autotrader in mid 09 (just to make sure there aren't any out there)

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

I am certainly a Challenger lunatic and certainly a lot of it is because I owned what was known as the baddest Musclecar on the planet.

So I have a lot of previous emotion on this car and they are building it again......and oh by the way it is a better, faster, more powerful car.

“Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world’s baddest car. Dodge Challenger will be that car. Better than it was before. Better. Stronger. Faster.”

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

And here I am, a generation behind, or more, continuing the legacy. I never had the chance to own one of these nice cars and I'm sorry that I missed that period.

I would love to say that I still own one of these cars today, but probably like most people I wouldn't think about keeping it that long, that it would become such a collectors car in the future. I love it when I see a Charger, or any other muscle car, around here. I saw two recently which shocked the heck out of me, both Chargers. One was in pretty sad shaped, owned by the daughter of a man that repainted the car and did a horrible job on it. The work that needed to be done on this car was extreme, though the body wasn't bad nor the interior, but when she tried to fire it up, it took it some time. Once it did fire up though, oh it was nice. It's amazing back in the day that those little tail pipes put out so much noise. Was that do to lack of a cat or was it something else? Oh, I would love to have that car even though I would be all over the roads in the winter.

I saw my second one just going through neighborhoods looking for a house to buy. I was shocked to see these so close toghether, time frame wise, right in front of me, but out of my reach. I wish I had a camera for both of those that's for sure. Loved them.

Now we come to present time. It may not be like it was back in the day, the comforts were probably not the best, the seatbelts and body of the car made crashing very dangerous, though the car would come out fine, the Mustangs would blow up if hit from behind, but I would still take one. I don't even car what it was, Mustang, Challenge/Charger or Camaro, back in the day, but present time I would only own a Mustang and Challenger because these two to me are the only ones that really carry on the heritage. Change the name of the Camaro and I may considering owning that, but not as a legacy car.

It's not quite the same, but I'm very thankful that I get a chance to own something that is going to be a piece of history. I'm hoping that I will be able to make this my last car that's for sure, but we'll see with my collection that I already have had in the past. With some luck I'll be able to continue this legacy with my children and they will have an appreciation for the muscle cars of today and of yesterday.

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

Yeah, what you state really resonates. While the Mustang is a beautiful car (not just placating Albeeno or any other Mustang enthusiasts on the board) the Challenger will probably not be produced in the large numbers, which, to me, makes it a little more special. It's fun being a fan of the other American car company!

RE: What is the expected price for the Challenger?
 

I feel special already just reading that. :)

The few, the proud the, Dodge Challenger.