[quote]New Camaro arriving late in the race
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GM won't have the muscle car in showrooms until early next year, while the Mustang and Challenger are already on the road.
By Martin Zimmerman, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
2:08 PM PST, February 22, 2008
The new Chevy Camaro would seem to have everything going for it: a genuinely storied tradition, a built-in fan base, even a starring role in a blockbuster movie.

But as they say down at The Improv, timing is everything. And in that regard, at least, the Camaro can't seem to get its act together.

General Motors Corp. expects to have the new Camaro in dealer showrooms during the first quarter of 2009. That would be three years after a Camaro concept car was unveiled as GM's entry in the current muscle car revival and well behind retro rivals such as the Ford Mustang and Chrysler's Dodge Challenger.

"I honestly don't understand what they're waiting for," said Dick Guldstrand of Burbank-based Guldstrand Motor Sports.

Certainly, fans of the original Camaro -- many of which were built at the now-closed GM plant in Van Nuys -- are eager to get a look at the new version. The last Camaro rolled of the assembly line in 2002 and the versions seen since have all been concepts, including the yellow-and-black copy that starred as Bumblebee in last summer's popcorn hit "Transformers."

"That was pretty impressive, but I'm waiting to see the real thing," said Mark Bird of Westminster, a 53-year-old member of the club Cool Runnin' Camaros of Southern California and the proud owner of a restored 1969. "As for buying one, I'll have to talk my wife into it."

GM knows that more than a few of its customers are toe-tapping with impatience. Designing the car around a completely new rear-wheel-drive platform -- rather than using an existing automotive architecture as did Ford and Chrysler -- is the main reason for the long lead time, GM spokeswoman Wendy Clark said.

"Maybe we showed the concept a little early," she said. "I know it feels like a long time. But it will be worth the wait."

Or will GM miss the "sweet spot" of the muscle car rebirth? The trend began a few years back when Ford fielded a redesigned Mustang that mimicked the lines of the iconic late '60s fire-breather, but came with modern amenities such as fuel injection, air bags and four-wheel disc brakes.

The vintage look proved to be a big hit with baby boomers who recalled the muscle cars of the late '60s and early '70s such as the Challenger, the Pontiac GTO, the Plymouth Barracuda and the Camaro Z28. Those cars, fabled as much for their dreadful handling and braking as for their neck-popping straight-line speed, are the new stars of the collectible car circuit, with extremely rare and well-preserved models selling for millions of dollars.

The Camaro concepts seen so far have strong echoes of the 1969 model, considered by many to be the ultimate expression of the car, itself one of the gems of the muscle era.

"If you're not into it, it's hard to explain," said Los Angeles attorney Barry Freeman, 69, who owns two vintage Camaros. "It's a seduction that people of my generation have never escaped from, nor do I want to."

The first muscle cars were killed off by a combination of high gasoline prices, a weakening economy, new federal regulations and rising insurance rates. Those same factors are threatening to choke off the cars' comeback before the new Camaro even reaches dealers.

"It's a tough time to be introducing cars like the Challenger and the Camaro," said Karl Brauer, editor in chief of online auto site Edmunds.com, noting that Mustang sales already began to slide last year.

"The number of muscle cars in the market is a good barometer of how well things are going in the economy, and these cars are late getting to the party."

It doesn't help that the new fuel economy standards Congress passed in December will make it toughe

 

Sounds like history repeating itself for the Camaro as the Barracuda had been out before the Camaro and Firebird hit the market. Chrysler's first offering hits the market before GMs, just using the other nameplate since Dodge is still in production. The fact that the 300s, Chargers, and Mustangs have sold well is proof that there is a market for V8 cars. If people are still willing to buy SUVs, they will certainly get a car that can get in the mid 20s.

 

Not to offend any SUV owners, but it seems to make a lot more sense (wasting gas) to at least use the vehicle for its intended purpose. Most SUVs never see off-road, nothing warms my heart more, however, than a muddy side scratched prospector or cherokee, etc.

By this, I mean, the Challenger uses lots of gas, but can go/accelerate ridiculously fast and most Challenger owners, I would wager, will use this vehicle as it is intended to be used. I know I will.

 

Well there is also the case that some use SUVs for bad weather conditions due to the 4WD. I'm in fact looking into a used Grand Cherokee or Liberty CRD to replace my Intrepid because I'm tired of dealing with the larger snows. Now that I've been at home, I've been able to use my brother's old S-10 which has 4X4 and I'm happy to use it over my Intrepid in this sleet. FWD is good, but 4WD is better. Though I am looking into some AWD cars as a possible substitute. I do understand what you are saying though. I think that Escalades and other ones that have no stock capabilities of doing anything hard core without modifications and different tires for sure are a waste of money, but some I can understand. The ones I really think are a lost cause are the ones like the Escape, Vue, CR-V, and the such. These simply do not make any sense to me. If you want FWD or AWD out of an SUV-like vehicle, just get a car. They get better fuel economy, faster, and cheaper.

 

My personal believe is that Camaro should have waited before the showed the Concept car. Three years from concept is way too long in my opinion from a marketing perspective.

 

You might have a point there, plus they started the marketing for it pretty much immediately. That's a waste of money and effort on their part. The only thing that you have to remember is that the platform is a brand new one that is just now seeing use vs. Chrysler had a leftover platform from MB that I think they had been working on for about the same time only they only started to market it shortly before they released it. I think I remember reading an article in MT or C&D back in 02 about the Chrysler 300N which looks very similar to the 300C.