Riptide

Agreed. When I built an R/T on dodge's site I was able to get a vehicle with all the stuff I wanted including a stripe and a block heater. For less than $33,500. To me that seemed fairly competitive. The mustang was still cheaper but that was OK. You got a bigger car with the challenger, and it looks a bit better IMO at least on the exterior.

If I hadn't pulled the trigger a year ago and got the mustang, and had kept saving instead, then I would've ended up with the R/T. Even at MSRP it was just to much money for me to lose by selling the mustang at that point. So I kept it.

KyChallengerR/T6spd

Where is my new issue of Motor Trend ?

Mullit

the had an article in poular science as well, 2009 Challenger won best design, don't know how old it was, I was at the dentist. Sweet photo of a SRT doing a smoky burn out

Axel

I like this part of it:

"Whatever its powertrain guise, the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro feels like a very grown-up, highly polished machine. In many regards, it's more reminiscent of the best sport coupes from Europe and Japan than it is a carrier of the musclecar torch from four decades ago."

Finally a magazine admits that this looks more European or Japan rather then muscle car. It's the same when people think the Charger, new one, can be considered a muscle car. Muscle maybe only in the sense of power, but then I guess every car with decent hp would be a muscle car right? Sorry, the "Camaro" still falls short of retro muscle in my book. HP ratings are very impressive, I'm just not impressed by the retro of it. It may smoke my Challenger, but I have to say, after driving to Kansas in the Mustang and driving back to Colorado in the Challenger, I'll take the slower times any day. The comfort and road noise were night and day. The everyday use of this car is so much better, no solid rear axel to take up part of the trunk. I don't know about the Camaro in those terms, quite comfortable ride and every day use, but I have a feeling it will be similar tight quarters compared to the Mustang.

People, whatever you choose, enjoy it. I'm just thankful that it's American at this point and if you can buy it, I'm thankful that you have a job to do so because many people don't. Just like mine, I'll enjoy it until another lucky person takes it off my hands unfortunately.

Riptide

A V8 is a prerequisite to be considered a pony or a muscle car IMO. A turbo six cylinder supra with a ton of power still isn't a muscle car.

The term is loosely defined as a general rule. But it's more than just the look of the car.

KyChallengerR/T6spd

Haven't got the magazine yet. But did find it on the computer . Maybe Dodge should read the story . Sort of like comparing Apples and Oranges . Since the Camaro has a 6.2 engine . Think that is right. Should have gotten a base SRT if they could find one. The Challenger is heavy . But I didn't buy it to race when I got my Black R/T 6 speed with 20 inch wheel's . And I'm very happy with it . Wonder what the gas mileage is on that big Chevy engine. I average 20 to 21 and a best of 26.78 so far. And a guy in our Mopar club who just got a new SRT 8 with 6 speed got 21 average on a trip right after getting it . I noticed also the Challenger had 18 inch wheel's . Don't know if the extra rubber with 20's would have helped or not in the handling or braking . But has to be more rubber on the ground. And the Good Year RSA are for sure not the equal to the Good Year F 1 on the SRT . I'm happy so if the Chevy people are happy . I can live with that. The War has begun. Let's see what Dodge has for the next round in 2010. Chevy has the advandage of under cutting the price and other improvment's over the Challenger and Mustang by coming int the game last. Maybe a light weight Challenger like the Z O6 Corvette . VVT 6.1 with up grades for 2010.

roadagent

Yea I don't think since the SS is the top of the line for Camaro it's right to compare with R/T,but it's still gonna beat a stock model SRT becuase of the lighter(300+ lbs) weight and also the more aggresive gearing.1 horse power wouldn't be the deciding factor it's the 3.45 or 3.47 (I forget which) vs. 3.06.I wonder if they're (GM) gonna limit the top end.

KyChallengerR/T6spd

A guy in our Mopar Club just got a new 09 SRT with 6 speed with 3.91 pos in it . Nothing against the Camaro . But I think that would have made a better match up . If price is the winning factor . A cat with turbintine on it's butt would be much cheaper and quicker off the line than the Camaro. When I go to buy a car. I first look at the car I want first . Within my budget of coarse . But will go the extra money for the one I like best. So I don't think the extra cost of the SRT should rule it out . Comparable engine and option's. first . Then if I can afford it . Maybe Dodge should build a Road Runner 6.1 Challenger . And bring the price down. Most SRT on the lot are loaded with everything you can get. Not saying that isn't good if you want it . I had to look to find a R/T the way I wanted it.

roadagent

The '09 has 3.91's?:O DAYUM I'd LOVE to have 3.91's in my '08.fuel mileage would suck but it does already anyway cuz I'm an aggresive driver LOL.

lear4406

As far as the SRT-8 1/4 times the best I've seen is 13.1 and for the SS 13.00. So any one who's got good sense will know this is a drivers race. May be some better times ahead or ones I have'nt seen yet. As far as rear gear its a 3:92 trac pac. And at 1500 rpm in 6th gear you will be at 60 mph. helps with the better hwy gas mileage.