Mustang Fans Getting Scared
12-05-2006, 07:24 AM
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I got in on this discussion kind of late... but. I see too many comparisons of Japanese 4 and 6 cylinders engines to american V-8s. The comparison is flawed due to the fact that the Japanese cars are Turboed. If you have to compare it to a V-8, then at least use a supercharged Cobra. Pressure to pressure comparison. N/A to N/A. As soon as a car is put under pressure its volumetric efficiency will increase quite substantually. Add the light weight and now you are comparing apples to oranges. The 4 and 6 cylinders are not as fast or quick when you give the V-8 the same power builders. The new HEMIs are almost able to hold their own without the help of a turbo or a supercharger. But add on one of these power boosters and you have a car in a very small minority. So to be fair please use a comparison that is more apples to apples. Don't pick the best of the Japanese cars and then pick a run of the mill American car just because its a heavy V-8. I have respect for both and I own both. 1970 GTX 440-6 and a 1988 Conquest TSI. Also 1971 340-4 Challenger and a 1991 Stealth R/T. The supercharged Cobra is one awsome beast, as well a Turboed Supra is too. And if we go to the top of the 1/4 mile shootouts they will use the best horsepower plant they can find and it is the mighty HEMI under a ton of pressure. Thanks for listening to my opinion, this is just how I see it. Randy.
12-05-2006, 11:21 AM
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That is a good point. This is why I try not to compare cars that are too different to compare.
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12-06-2006, 11:10 PM
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I bought a Mustang GT in '05... not because it was a Mustang, per se, but because it is a good looking pony car... and still the only pony car available for another year or so. I really like the Challenger concept, and hope they can stay reasonably close to it with the production model. And with luck they'll find a way to get a 6.4 liter motor in it. Even a 6.1 with a 6 sp. manual would be enough to entice me to cross over (to the dark side?) Then again maybe Ford has something up their sleeve. One thing for sure, if the Camaro doesn't change much from its concept it's doomed! Just have to wait and see how it all pans out. In the meantime I have a great pony car to cruise.
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Welcome to the site, nonsensez9. Have you done any upgrades for your Mustang yet? Don't worry this is a pretty friendly forum for Mustang owners, just ask TechmanBD.
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12-07-2006, 08:42 AM
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I got in on this discussion kind of late... but. I see too many comparisons of Japanese 4 and 6 cylinders engines to american V-8s. The comparison is flawed due to the fact that the Japanese cars are Turboed. If you have to compare it to a V-8, then at least use a supercharged Cobra. Pressure to pressure comparison. N/A to N/A. As soon as a car is put under pressure its volumetric efficiency will increase quite substantually. Add the light weight and now you are comparing apples to oranges. The 4 and 6 cylinders are not as fast or quick when you give the V-8 the same power builders. The new HEMIs are almost able to hold their own without the help of a turbo or a supercharger. But add on one of these power boosters and you have a car in a very small minority. So to be fair please use a comparison that is more apples to apples. Don't pick the best of the Japanese cars and then pick a run of the mill American car just because its a heavy V-8. I have respect for both and I own both. 1970 GTX 440-6 and a 1988 Conquest TSI. Also 1971 340-4 Challenger and a 1991 Stealth R/T. The supercharged Cobra is one awsome beast, as well a Turboed Supra is too. And if we go to the top of the 1/4 mile shootouts they will use the best horsepower plant they can find and it is the mighty HEMI under a ton of pressure. Thanks for listening to my opinion, this is just how I see it. Randy.
I got in on this discussion kind of late... but. I see too many comparisons of Japanese 4 and 6 cylinders engines to american V-8s. The comparison is flawed due to the fact that the Japanese cars are Turboed. If you have to compare it to a V-8, then at least use a supercharged Cobra. Pressure to pressure comparison. N/A to N/A. As soon as a car is put under pressure its volumetric efficiency will increase quite substantually. Add the light weight and now you are comparing apples to oranges. The 4 and 6 cylinders are not as fast or quick when you give the V-8 the same power builders. The new HEMIs are almost able to hold their own without the help of a turbo or a supercharger. But add on one of these power boosters and you have a car in a very small minority. So to be fair please use a comparison that is more apples to apples. Don't pick the best of the Japanese cars and then pick a run of the mill American car just because its a heavy V-8. I have respect for both and I own both. 1970 GTX 440-6 and a 1988 Conquest TSI. Also 1971 340-4 Challenger and a 1991 Stealth R/T. The supercharged Cobra is one awsome beast, as well a Turboed Supra is too. And if we go to the top of the 1/4 mile shootouts they will use the best horsepower plant they can find and it is the mighty HEMI under a ton of pressure. Thanks for listening to my opinion, this is just how I see it. Randy.
here is an example..on MF, one of the big rivalries is the 99-04 GTs and the srt4 neons. same class based on body style or engine? not at all...same class based on price and performance? 100%.
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Welcome to the site, nonsensez9. Have you done any upgrades for your Mustang yet? Don't worry this is a pretty friendly forum for Mustang owners, just ask TechmanBD.
Welcome to the site, nonsensez9. Have you done any upgrades for your Mustang yet? Don't worry this is a pretty friendly forum for Mustang owners, just ask TechmanBD.
12-08-2006, 07:47 AM
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I agree with you as far as these are the cars that are offered by their respected corps. My point was as far as 4, 6 and 8 cyliners. Some people get the idea that a 4 or 6 cylinder will be a better power producer and then state it as fact. They will use a pressurised 4 and 6 and compare it to a NA 8. When a company sends a car out as a finished product, then that is what will be tested against its competition. We should always test stock against stock. For after mods are done, then it is how much money you want to throw at it. Enough money and it has no choice but to go faster and stop quicker as well as handle better. I'm glad that Dodge sends us a product that is NA, this way we have the option if we want to put the power enhancers on or leave the car as stock. The power level is already high and we still have the option to turbo or supercharge to an insanely high amount of horsepower. Which begs the question of how much horsepower is too much horsepower for the street. For anyone who has had over 500 hp on the street, please chime in and let us know how streetable your car is or was and at what HP level you were at. Thanks for the reply and have a nice day,Randy.
12-08-2006, 08:26 AM
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figure, the mirada is making around 480 horsepower at the crank...and it saw loads of street time...ive had friends who street drove 1000 hp cars...i dont think there is ever too much horsepower.
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Thanks. I haven't done much with the Mustang. CAI + 91 oct. tune & 4.10 rear end. M+H drag radials for the strip - going with MT next season. I'm going to take a two weekend road racing course in the summer so I probably should upgrade the brakes. And I am considering a supercharger. Awaiting news on what motor the Challenger will have. 6.1 or better and I will save my money for the Challenger. Anything less I will keep the 'stang and move forward on the s/c
Thanks. I haven't done much with the Mustang. CAI + 91 oct. tune & 4.10 rear end. M+H drag radials for the strip - going with MT next season. I'm going to take a two weekend road racing course in the summer so I probably should upgrade the brakes. And I am considering a supercharger. Awaiting news on what motor the Challenger will have. 6.1 or better and I will save my money for the Challenger. Anything less I will keep the 'stang and move forward on the s/c
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