Who has a 2008 Challenger on order?
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Also, even an open rear end will spin both tires. Just not when you really need it
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RE: Who has a 2008 Challenger on order?
Found this at Edmunds,
Limited-slip differential (LSD): Whether torque-sensitive (based on a mechanism with either worm gears or a clutch pack) or speed-sensitive (based either on the use of viscous fluid or a combination of hydraulic pump and a clutch pack), an LSD ensures that the driven wheels rotate at the same speed in order to optimize traction. In ways that only a mechanical engineer could explain, an LSD is as useful at a drag strip (so you don't leave one stripe of tire rubber) as it is on twisting roads (so you can maximize speed at the exit of a corner). If there's nothing to control the torque distribution between right and left wheels, it's an open differential. The Ford's got an LSD and the Dodge doesn't — sort of.
In its own corporatespeak, SRT calls the Challenger's rear end an "anti-spin differential." We would describe this as a brake-lock differential (BLD), which actually means it uses an open differential and traction control sensors to detect wheelspin and then applies a brake in order to direct torque to the other wheel. The BLD works adequately for many situations, like getting under way from a stop in conditions such as when one wheel is on pavement and the other is in the mud. But the BLD also suppresses the car's ability to powerslide around an uphill hairpin. A true limited-slip differential is standard on the Bullitt and won't be available for the Challenger SRT8 until next year, and then only in conjunction with the Track Pack.
Electronic stability control (ESC): It's only a matter of time before every new vehicle sold will have one more way of saving you from yourself, as new federal standards for stability control will appear in 2010. Of course, with these two cars, that's probably a pretty good idea. If we had to split hairs, it's nice to have as many of these choices as possible within the sometimes strict confines of electronic nannydom: 1) an Off button; 2) an Off button that can be activated at any speed; and 3) different thresholds of stability control intervention. There's standard three-mode ESC on the Dodge, but it's not available on the Ford — for now anyway.
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Limited-slip differential (LSD): Whether torque-sensitive (based on a mechanism with either worm gears or a clutch pack) or speed-sensitive (based either on the use of viscous fluid or a combination of hydraulic pump and a clutch pack), an LSD ensures that the driven wheels rotate at the same speed in order to optimize traction. In ways that only a mechanical engineer could explain, an LSD is as useful at a drag strip (so you don't leave one stripe of tire rubber) as it is on twisting roads (so you can maximize speed at the exit of a corner). If there's nothing to control the torque distribution between right and left wheels, it's an open differential. The Ford's got an LSD and the Dodge doesn't — sort of.
In its own corporatespeak, SRT calls the Challenger's rear end an "anti-spin differential." We would describe this as a brake-lock differential (BLD), which actually means it uses an open differential and traction control sensors to detect wheelspin and then applies a brake in order to direct torque to the other wheel. The BLD works adequately for many situations, like getting under way from a stop in conditions such as when one wheel is on pavement and the other is in the mud. But the BLD also suppresses the car's ability to powerslide around an uphill hairpin. A true limited-slip differential is standard on the Bullitt and won't be available for the Challenger SRT8 until next year, and then only in conjunction with the Track Pack.
Electronic stability control (ESC): It's only a matter of time before every new vehicle sold will have one more way of saving you from yourself, as new federal standards for stability control will appear in 2010. Of course, with these two cars, that's probably a pretty good idea. If we had to split hairs, it's nice to have as many of these choices as possible within the sometimes strict confines of electronic nannydom: 1) an Off button; 2) an Off button that can be activated at any speed; and 3) different thresholds of stability control intervention. There's standard three-mode ESC on the Dodge, but it's not available on the Ford — for now anyway.
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I have read about the rear end but cannot remember where. It really doesn't matter because the only way you can spin the tires is to brake torque. When you release the brakes, the ESP and other (helpfull) features stop the tires from spinning. Watch closely the burnout videos. When the driver lets off of the brake, the car slows momentarily while the traction control hooks up. There are buttons to disengage the systems but as I recall they cannont be totally disengaged. Sickening but true.
I have read about the rear end but cannot remember where. It really doesn't matter because the only way you can spin the tires is to brake torque. When you release the brakes, the ESP and other (helpfull) features stop the tires from spinning. Watch closely the burnout videos. When the driver lets off of the brake, the car slows momentarily while the traction control hooks up. There are buttons to disengage the systems but as I recall they cannont be totally disengaged. Sickening but true.
Full Off
This mode is intended for off-highway or off-road use
only and should not be used on any public roadways. In
this mode, all TCS and ESP stability features are turned
OFF. To enter the “Full Off” mode, depress and hold the
ESP OFF switch for five seconds while the vehicle is
stopped with the engine running. After five seconds, a
chime will sound, the ESP/TCS Indicator Light will
illuminate, and the 9ESP OFF9 message will display in the
vehicle odometer.
This mode is intended for off-highway or off-road use
only and should not be used on any public roadways. In
this mode, all TCS and ESP stability features are turned
OFF. To enter the “Full Off” mode, depress and hold the
ESP OFF switch for five seconds while the vehicle is
stopped with the engine running. After five seconds, a
chime will sound, the ESP/TCS Indicator Light will
illuminate, and the 9ESP OFF9 message will display in the
vehicle odometer.
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RE: Who has a 2008 Challenger on order?
Mopar2ya,
I hope I am ill advised, but if you read my above post, I believe it's pretty clear. Think of it this way. With 425 HP, you should be able to stomp the thottle and smoke the tires. Have you ever seen a Charger or a Challenger do that? Nope - because they can't.
I hope I am ill advised, but if you read my above post, I believe it's pretty clear. Think of it this way. With 425 HP, you should be able to stomp the thottle and smoke the tires. Have you ever seen a Charger or a Challenger do that? Nope - because they can't.
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Hi Joani,
Seems you have a way of checking on the order status of '08 Challengers. Could you please check 8H302160? Thanks a lot!!!
Dave
Also, about the "tire burnout" discussion......I myself am more impressed with fast starts and top speed. Sitting still wasting $500 plus in rear rubber??? Why?? We will all look cool enough just sitting in our cars.
Seems you have a way of checking on the order status of '08 Challengers. Could you please check 8H302160? Thanks a lot!!!
Dave
Also, about the "tire burnout" discussion......I myself am more impressed with fast starts and top speed. Sitting still wasting $500 plus in rear rubber??? Why?? We will all look cool enough just sitting in our cars.
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Things are moving very fast now at the Brampton plant so call the 800 line and get the status daily on your car and update your car's status on the unofficial tracker if you wish to participate. Remember the updates are important for the tracker to work. They trucked 300 JB status Challengers to Windsor Monday night for decals and numbered dash plate. Those 300 will be finished Wed and that will bring the badge number's into the high 700's. They are going in numerical order of completion at the Windsor decal plant. They are there for about 24 hours and when completed they go to KZ status and scheduled for pickup by truck and moved across the boarder to the USA and placed on Rail or Truck to Your dealer.
Some of you were asking me what they do during the quality inspection's on the Challengers. Well last weekend one of the guy's at the plant made a short video of the beginning of that process. Here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kybyQehRKpo
Some of you were asking me what they do during the quality inspection's on the Challengers. Well last weekend one of the guy's at the plant made a short video of the beginning of that process. Here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kybyQehRKpo
