Justinec101

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I was born here. I didn't come here. I'm not an illegal alien trying to change laws.

"Likewise, if you don't like my faith, you're welcome to not practice it. But PLEASE, don't infringe on my right to do so, and don't ridicule me for my beliefs and way of life. You demand that much for yourself, don't you?"

Here you say everyone should be able to believe what they want.

"It is a reflection of our origins that we have "God" on our currency - the blood that runs our economy, mention him in our Pledge, swear to him in our oathes, and keep him in our daily lives. When we turn our back on him in our lives, we turn our country in another direction - one that wasn't intended by our founders and one that didn't make this country the greatest in the world."

And here you say we have to believe in god for our country to go in the right direction. You seem to be under the impression that every American is Christian. And that the people who believe what I believe, are all from other countries, coming in trying to change things. I already agreed that God is an important part of our history, and that he was needed to get to where we are today. But so was slavery. Our entire human history is based on things that we did that we now regret.

All I want is for everyone here to be free, and not have their daily lives influenced by other people's personal beliefs. That's it. That's all that I'm asking. Pray at church, not in schools, let gays be gay and let people watch their pornography.

It is exactly as you said, "Likewise, if you don't like my faith, you're welcome to not practice it. But PLEASE, don't infringe on my right to do so, and don't ridicule me for my beliefs and way of life."

lear4406

Hey guys I'm sorry to come back so late, but I have been working on cars. I guess my Flander glassses were out of focus. But you do see how it falls to the personal attacks when you try to have a debate on Christianity. I do not take them for how they are given, I just find the humor in it. Though sometimes its tough. Justiec101 does keep it above the table and I thank him for that. We Christians have been grouped together, even if there are substanctial differeces in the way we believe. Again I remind people of the laws we have and how they change to the group that is in power. Mans laws change, but GODs words stand forever. Render unto Ceaser what is Ceasers. Render unto GOD what is GODs. I wish you all a nice weekend and a great week ahead.

davecpa

I totally agree. We are a free nation and should be able to express our feelings with out fear of retribution. It does concern me that we as a nation seem to be getting weak. For example, welfare started out in the depression when people stood in line to get soup.. the government had this idea of giving those people money so they did not need to stand in line for soup.. this is how welfare started.. and today it is a lifestyle. I say we should go back to the days where we had soup kitchens for anyone hungry and get rid of welfare money. We live in a country where if you are black you should be proud to go to an all black college.. but if you are white and started an all white college you are a racist? We live in a society where my state senators take the day off (which i payed for as a tax payer) so they could march in the streets in support of illegal aliens????? So i ask what does this have to do with cars?

Jeremiah 29:11

As a Christ follower, I try to be obedient. In the Bible, the Great Commission in Matthew 29:19-20 says:

19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

So bottom line we shared our faith because he commands us to do so.

He also tell us to love our neighbors as ourselves.

The intent was never to ridicule or infringe on anybodies rights.

All I can do is share my faith.

Nobody is going to make anybody believe anything.

RLSH700

I was dreading the day this would happen. I guess you can't have a forum without a few 2coffs and Gameras.

We need abortion? That is the most redicilous thing you have said so far. Our country grew significantly when we had the baby boom after WWII. Ask Europe how well things are going for them with the population drop over the last decade. It has not been very good for them. Abortion has murdered (that's right murdered, not aborted) 48,589,993 innocent children. This is more than all U.S. casualties in all wars fought since our countries founding by multiple times over. It has made people look at human life as a thing not a real person. This is one of the contributing reasons why our social security program is in trouble along with the need for more workers from elsewhere.

What about the rights of the child? It is unfair to have its life stabbed and cut away just because someone doesn't want to be inconvenienced. I happen to have plenty of friends who were lucky enough to have mothers who had respect for human life and gave parents who were unable to have children a chance to be a parent. If technology was as up to date as they are trying to get it, I would have been a perfect target for abortion; therefore, I'm against it.

Homosexuality is still up in the air on what causes it. I disagree with you on this as well. I have both heard and seen causes where people tried it both when it was not accepted and was accepted and chose to be straight instead. Having all this stuff encouraging homosexuality is only going to make it more common. Each of us were born with flaws, we need to learn how to overcome those flaws and be better people. I get tired of people saying "I can't be 'normal' because of how I was born." Guess what, I'm not "normal" either, but you won't see me throwing a huge pity party over it. I learned to overcome my flaws and be a better person in the long run. I'm not asking them to do anything that I haven't done in different categories. Even if it is genetic, I have alcoholism in my family, and I do not follow it. In fact, I have never been drunk or anywhere close to it. Just because there is temptation doesn't mean you have to act on it.

You need porn? Just like a drug addict says he needs his drugs, you don't "need" it, you have an unresolved addiction to it. My parents have been married for 27 years and neither of them have any of that trash. I recommend you give up that junk. In the long run, you will appreciate your wife a lot more.

You are correct, Bootcamp. The Catholic Church forbids "birth control" except for the "rhythm method." A sperm is considered more significant than other cells because they have t

lear4406

Amen Brother.

TeeWJay426

Religious debates are about as productive as political ones.... there are as many ideas and opinions as there are minds expressing them, and you will resolve absolutely nothing in the end. Not sure how this all erupted from a monologue erroneously attributed to a comedian.... I have my own religious and political beliefs, and this is precisely why I keep them to myself.

BootCamp

A friend made me aware of this two days ago. The timing is ironic, as is the consistency of content. I guess I'm not the only "non-Geico caveman" roaming the planet.

Australia;

[i]Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a
bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty
to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John
Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a
crackdown.
Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted
that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did
not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by
parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which
has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you",
he said on National Television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two
laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that
is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts,
democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to
another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better
option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave,
he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to
move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson
later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values
should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and
who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well
then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday
by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

Quote: [b]"IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or
Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks
on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that
our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do
I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to
Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently
come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."
"This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only
to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians,
we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,
trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGL ISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society .. Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian,
right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our
schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of
the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs,

lear4406

You gotta love that, all I can say is right on brother. I feel this is the way the U.S.A. should respond, but we will not. I could not put the words out better if I had tried. I might just have to look into moving to Australia. I wonder what it would cost to ship a certain 2008 model.

Jeremiah 29:11

This has been my point all along. Our country was also based on Christian principles, but some people don't want to believe that
nor believe that there could be a decline in our country if we turn against God.

I did find the Australian article and it is very recent dated October 4, 2006.