lear4406

Just a quick thought, I'm a child of the 60's and I have tried but I can't recall the killing in school as much as I see it today. The violence that is shown across the TVs in our homes about the schools and the sexual immorality taking place in the classroom. These are just 2 examples of the changes that have occured since GOD has been expelled from the public school system. I have long expected it, because my father taught us from the Bible that these things would occure and might happen in our lifetime. I'm so sorry to see these things happen in my 2 sons lifetime. But they have been prepared also.

TechmanBD

Damn, didn't mean to make this into a religious debate.

As for the schools, There are more reasons why it is bad there. One I can think of, is no more discipline. The schools tell the students they have rights and take it too far. So in turn, the students think they can do whatever they want.

My wife and I are not going to have kids, and really don't want to in this day and age. Especially with the Gov't telling us we can't discipline our kids. Not even spankings? I am one that believes in spankings. On the rear, or a slap on the hand. Obviously there are the ones that go to far. This is how I was raised and I came out fine, as well as my other siblings. There is also an age when to stop. When they are young, they don't understand restriction, or taking away toys. So a slap on the rear lets them no that what they did was bad. Then when they get to an age where they understand the restriction and taking away of privledges, then the spanking stops.

Anyways, that is my tak,e and you can take it or leave it.

I am not a religious person, but don't see why they have to take "GOD" off of things so there is political correctness because an atheist is offended. I know atheists, and they think it is crazy that people get all offended because of that. They have gone too far with it. WHat ever happened to sticks and stones. Big f'n deal. If this keeps up, everyone will be zombies so to speak. No fun in life walk around with our mouths shut, in a daze. [X(]

lear4406

Ugh... well O.K. We really can't debate. I can debate with another Christian on the grounds that the Holy Bible is the undisputed word of GOD. But with anyone else there would be no standard to guide the debate. Not a slam at all on anyone else, just a fact that I live by. It would just turn into a personal attack and I like you guys too much to let that happen. No good would come from it. I hate it that your not having kids, they are a great experience. But I know what you mean about this day and age. Have a nice day man.

Justinec101

"Just a quick thought, I'm a child of the 60's and I have tried but I can't recall the killing in school as much as I see it today. The violence that is shown across the TVs in our homes about the schools and the sexual immorality taking place in the classroom. These are just 2 examples of the changes that have occured since GOD has been expelled from the public school system."

I see that these things have been happened since god has been removed from school, but there is no way to connect the two things. In fact we still have very little explanation as to why violence is spreading so rapidly in our country. If you take a look at many European countries, religion is much less prominent, and so is violence. There is simply no connection between the removal of religion and an increase in violence. The idea that god is the only viable option for living a peaceful life is just too out there for me.

"I am not a religious person, but don't see why they have to take "GOD" off of things so there is political correctness because an atheist is offended. I know atheists, and they think it is crazy that people get all offended because of that. They have gone too far with it."

I'm in the middle here. The pledge for example is a piece of our history and taking god out of it would be like trying to erase history. Which is just as rediculous as changing history books to make no mention of our other mistakes. I don't think we should go around removing the word god from things as much as we should avoid doing it in the future. Truthfully it doesn't bother me personally, but what about the people coming into this country with different beliefs? I can see how they would be bothered by it.

"Ugh... well O.K. We really can't debate. I can debate with another Christian on the grounds that the Holy Bible is the undisputed word of GOD. But with anyone else there would be no standard to guide the debate."

This is the problem I think. This is a country of many different cultures and beliefs, and we can't lock ourselves out from other people because they don't read the bible, or believe in god. In an age where there are scientific breakthroughs every day that conflict with religious beliefs, how will we ever come to an understanding if we simply ignore other peoples' opinions and say that our belief is the only correct one? The fact is there is no standard guide on which to debate on, which is why so many people simply avoid the issue and we end up stuck. . . 50% on one side and 50% on the other. You can't make decisions in a democracy with a 50/50 split.

McDonald

This is not a good arguement at all... For instance Iran, they are very religious and the "radical islams" have their religion twisted to committing suicide will get you in the gates of heaven. Saying they want every American and every Jewish person dead. Preaching death to america on friday nights as if it were a high school football rally.

Although i do agree that religion should not have been taken out of schools.. Yea maybe as adults they make smarter more reasonable choices, as a kid you can pick up on dumb things and be persuaded easier, so why not persuade them in the right direction? By not having it there the average kids likely ness to being persuaded into negative things are higher.

Older Roman society you couldnt walk into any building or house without having the words of the bible on the door or walkway.. Because of that they lived in a good society..

BootCamp

Just so you know, all of these things have already happened.
Legalizing abortion - Supreme Court; Roe v. Wade
Taking prayer out of schools - most kids don't even know the Pledge of Allegiance now. Why? Because someone objected to the phrase "under God"...
Removing the 10 Commandments from Government facilities - The ACLU has sued (and won) over this numerous times (more suits are still pending).
Supporting/recognizing gay/homosexual unions - How many states have passed legislation already, with more to "fall in line"? Ever heard of "Queer eye for the straight guy"? How about "Gay, straight, or taken"?
Removing references to God in books - School districts and public libraries have been weeding out books that are "religiously insensitive" for MANY years now.........reminds me of the Nazi's.
Supporting pornography - not only does the government do little to discourage it, they're considering taxing it as a source of revenue (link). Would you call that support?

This country HAS turned it's back on God time after time, and that's why we're becoming the "Modern Day Babylon" that God will destroy when he's seen enough adultery, bearing false witness, killing, coveting, dishonor, theft, and immorality. He must be a very patient God...... he's endured watching more than I could of my children.
This country was great at one time, but it's people's "lukewarm" attitudes and tolerance of evil are destroying the very foundation it was created on.
God has repeatedly been invited to leave our lives here in America - a country originally founded on Christian strength, beliefs and faith. A country where we swear to the truth of our court testimony, and the morality and effectiveness of our politicians on a Bible, with the statement "So help me, God". A country where our currency reads "In God We Trust". A country where holidays that celebrated God's son's birth and resurrection have been bastardized by commercialism and political correctness. A country where no one is responsible for thier own actions, but rather blames thier ills and decisions on anything other than themselves.
We make heroes and legends of the most promiscuous, immoral, unethical and evil people, put them in the public eye and idolize them. People gain fame and fortune from violating every one of the commandments. Each day that we turn a blind eye and ignore these things, we go out of our way to spit in the face of the same God that the founding fathers prayed to for help in establishing this country.
We look at religious fundamentalists in other countries as "extremists" and can't understand thier devout faith.....because we have so little ourselves.

Yet when a tragedy (like terrorist attacks, earthquakes or hurricaines) occurs, the very people in America that asked God to leave our daily lives want to know why God let it happen and didn't prevent it.
You invited him to leave - why do you ask where he is now?
Farmiliarity breeds contempt. We've always been a "land of plenty" and won't appreciate that until it's all been stripped away from us.

For the record, I'm a Christian and have been ALL of my life. I didn't "find God" (I didn't know he was lost in the first place) after a tumultuous period in my life (MOST - not ALL, but most - of the most fervent "preachers" I've met have initiated thier faith in that way). I spent the majority of my youth as an active member

McDonald

Its the damn ACLU and the athiests which make up like somewhere around 2-11 percent of the entire United States of America.. Why dont the around 80 some percent of Christians do somthing about it instead of letting this country have its rights taken away that founded this country and is what made freedom.. Im sure Thomas Jefferson would be irate. All i got to say is United we stand divided we fall.

lear4406

I meant that we can't have a religious debate, as in we turned this into a religious debate. I can debate schools and politics. Many other facets of our everyday life. A religious debate is not possible, it will always end in a personal attack no matter how hard you try not too. I am guided by the Holy Bible and many others by other religions or non belief. I am glad they have that choice. As a Christian I offer it with no strings attached. But if you are not careful, other religions are not so generous. Its their way or the highway. And by highway I mean it ain't too good. Most Christians live as Jesus taught, live and let live. If we must have a compass, at least with Christians you are not forced to believe as we do. You can live as you see fit. My GOD is big enough to handle his own affairs. Thanks for the conversation guys and I hope ya'll have a nice day.

Justinec101

"This is not a good arguement at all... For instance Iran, they are very religious and the "radical islams" have their religion twisted to committing suicide will get you in the gates of heaven. Saying they want every American and every Jewish person dead. Preaching death to america on friday nights as if it were a high school football rally."

I was saying the removal of religion hasn't caused violence to increase. What you just posted was EXACTLY why religion causes violence. Immoral people can twist the teachings of many of the world's religions into an excuse for violence. Christianity is not exempt from this. Just look at the history of violence bred from taking the bible literally.

Yet when a tragedy (like terrorist attacks, earthquakes or hurricaines) occurs, the very people in America that asked God to leave our daily lives want to know why God let it happen and didn't prevent it.

Who are these people exactly? I was not asking god why he didn't prevent these tragedies. I was asking the government.

Its the damn ACLU and the athiests which make up like somewhere around 2-11 percent of the entire United States of America.. Why dont the around 80 some percent of Christians do somthing about it instead of letting this country have its rights taken away that founded this country and is what made freedom.. Im sure Thomas Jefferson would be irate. All i got to say is United we stand divided we fall.

It would seem to me that the First Amendment disagrees with you. Just because the founders of this country were Christian, doesn't mean that we have to be. What exactly do you want these 80% of Americans to do? Is banning homosexuality expanding our freedom? Is getting rid of pornography going to make us feel more free? Is making kids in public schools pray to your god in agreement with the concept of separation of church and state? Perhaps all of these things are in support of your religion, but they are in no way making us more free.

Justinec101

"A religious debate is not possible, it will always end in a personal attack no matter how hard you try not too. I am guided by the Holy Bible and many others by other religions or non belief. I am glad they have that choice. As a Christian I offer it with no strings attached. But if you are not careful, other religions are not so generous. Its their way or the highway. And by highway I mean it ain't too good. Most Christians live as Jesus taught, live and let live. If we must have a compass, at least with Christians you are not forced to believe as we do. You can live as you see fit."

I would very much like to agree with you. I respect everything you said. However from this topic it is very clear that not everybody thinks as you do. As you can see there are many who want prayer in schools, bans on pornography, and laws against being homosexual. If we tell people they can't be homosexual or watch porn, or have abortions, how can they live as they see fit?